J. Stephen Spence joins EJ (unmoderated) - Engraving Etc. Forum

<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.62">J. Stephen Spence joins EJ (unmoderated)</a></h1><a name="a1049_62"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.62">#62</a>]<br /> 3 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.49">#49</a>] 4 Apr 2005</p> <p>Ed,</p> <p>Has Stephen been accused of shortchanging a customer, or not paying a supplier? That's an ethics issue.</p> <p>We don't have a morality committee. You can head that one up.</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a1049_63"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.63">#63</a>]<br /> 3 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: (*oo*) (EMBROIDBABE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.51">#51</a>] 4 Apr 2005</p> <p>Tammy,</p> <p>Poison? </p> <p>Try calling it that to the many chemo patients and others who benefit from its beneficial properties. Of course its not being offered by pharmaceutical corporations, therefore, it's just plain old poison.</p> <p>I'm not claiming I was in the "Medical Marijuana" business. I was a Rock n' Roll guitarist, and at the time (70's/80s) we considered it more along the lines of "art supplies."</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a1049_64"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.64">#64</a>]<br /> 3 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Rallyguy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.59">#59</a>] 4 Apr 2005</p> <p>Brian,</p> <p>It may be a mistake to support the guy at this stage, but you seem to be OK with condeming him at this stage.</p> <p>By the way, if memory serves, you're fairly religious.</p> <p>How do you reconcile your position, with the teachings of forgiveness etc?</p> <p>What I'm gathering, from what you've said, the death penalty itself would be too humane a sentence.</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a1049_65"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.65">#65</a>]<br /> 3 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>This thread is officially closed to posting, until such time that new facts pertaining directly to the Stephen Spence case come to light.</p> <p>David Lavaneri<br /> Forum Host/Moderator</p><hr /><a name="a1049_66"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.66">#66</a>]<br /> 4 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Rallyguy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.61">#61</a>] 4 Apr 2005</p> <p>Sorry David, I must reply to Rallyguy.</p> <p>My error. You are correct, I missed that even on the second reading. (Very embarrassed by my statement.)</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1049_67"></a><p><b>From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.67">#67</a>]<br /> 4 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>I am speaking for myself and not Harvey & I.</p> <p>I am tired of the nastiness I see going on here. I thought this was a forum for a group of professionals to exchange ideas, thoughts, and helpful hints on their chosen profession. It is seemingly degrading into a forum where people are vying to one up each other with nasty comments. Why can't we all drop the subject and get back to the business of doing business?</p> <p>Dee</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_68"></a><p><b>From: Pete (AWARDMASTERS)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.68">#68</a>]<br /> 4 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.67">#67</a>] 4 Apr 2005</p> <p>Dee, <br /> I am sorry that it is uncomfortable for you and I very much understand your feelings.</p> <p>People have different values and different opinions about the importance of things. I abhor drug dealers. They cause about as much human suffering as anyone alive and are the direct cause of a large part of the crime in our country. I do not see how anyone can sit by and listen to someone who admits to dealing drugs and then tries feebly to justify it. Drug dealers are the scum of the earth. </p> <p>So I find if very difficult to just stick my head in the sand and go back our regular discussions like none of this ever took place.</p> <p>I do apologize for any distress I may have caused you. You have always been a particularly helpful and caring person.</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_69"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.69">#69</a>]<br /> 4 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Pete (AWARDMASTERS)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.68">#68</a>] 4 Apr 2005</p> <p>That is about the same way I feel about bars and alcoholics..... keep pouring until they can't stand up and then throw them out in the parking lot to drive home....</p> <p>Oh, almost forgot! Then the judges charge them with DWI instead of homicide and make them do community service.</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_70"></a><p><b>From: LtHousLady (NANCY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.70">#70</a>]<br /> 4 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Pete (AWARDMASTERS)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.68">#68</a>] 5 Apr 2005</p> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote: </b></div> <div class="quote">People have different values and different opinions about the importance of things.</div> <p>So true Pete, but we can usually have an idea of where a person is coming from by their past comments/behaviors. When you see the importance of things change like the wind with a person who prioritizes according to how well it suits his cause at any given time, it's rather irritating. You'll never be able to guess where they'll come from next. </p> <p>After claiming freedom of speech for so long, this thread was closed to stop continued comments about a person in the industry, yet comments like the following are allowed to continue still. After all, it's freedom of speech!...copied from post on Apr 2nd. </p> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote: </b></div> <div class="quote">Looks like Saddlesores has changed business's to the pfishing(sp?) business.</div> <p>So as you asked earlier...what kind of person are we dealing with?<br /> I saw the perfect description posted earler......One with situational ethics.</p> <p>I thought it back then when I argued against the continued derogatory name calling & attacks on a certain member & I still think it now after what I've seen here.</p> <p class="edit_text">EDITED: 4 Apr 2005 by NANCY</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_71"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.71">#71</a>]<br /> 5 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>Amazing that the "thread you love to hate" has now generated to 3-4 different threads.</p> <p>Could we PLEASE keep it to one thread? This would make it easier to follow or ignore without being blindsided by a new version.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1049_72"></a><p><b>From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.72">#72</a>]<br /> 5 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>Looking at this from a newbie outsiders point of view , I think this thread should have been closed. It diminishes the forum , consists of unsubstanted and unproven allegations , is besmirching folks names and has devolved into a personality issue between members and a group type bash and is polarising it.<br /> Despite free speech , it is counterproductive to the forums intent and doesnt enhance it at all.<br /> Perhaps a hidden outside section which doesnt appear on the main forums folders/listings would be a more appropriate place for this type of stuff.<br /> Regards</p> <p> </p><hr /><a name="a1049_73"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.73">#73</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.65">#65</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> <p>Here is an update on what happened to Stephen Spence.....</p> <p><a href="http://www.wvstatepolice.com/sexoff/WebDetails.cfm?OffenderID=2723">http://www.wvstatepolice.com/sexoff/WebDetails.cfm?OffenderID=2723</a></p> <p><br /> Conviction 51 days served with 5 years probation. He is on a sexual predator list. </p> <p>Offense: Distribution and exhibiting of material depicting minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct/Served approximately 51 days in a correctional facility and given 5 years probation. Victim age range 0-5 and 6-14 male and female.</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_74"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.74">#74</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.73">#73</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> Brian,<br /> <br /> Thanks for the update. Industry news, albeit of the worst kind. <hr /><a name="a1049_75"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.75">#75</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.74">#74</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> Yeah...I agree it's bad news......At least it puts all the speculation to rest. I wasn't sure if it should be in an industry news folder or here in this thread.....It may be worth posting in it's own thread as news....As some may have become disenchanted with this thread after all the back and fourth. <div class="sig"><p>Thanks,</p> <p>Brian Genrich</p> <p><br /> <b><font color="#ff0000">Rallye Productions Inc.</font></b> <br /> <b>1-800-236-2036 x112</b><br /> <i>Custom cut, or sheet stock Sublimatable metal,<br /> Screen printing, and other digital print services. </i></p></div><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 14 Mar 2006 by RALLYGUY1</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_76"></a><p><b>From: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.76">#76</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> So now the question is, should he be forced out of the engraving community in disgrace, or is it OK that he does articles for EJ or other publications? Is he still to be thought of as an industry leader/teacher? There was a time, not too long ago, when he wouldn't show his face in public after such a conviction. What are your thoughts?<hr /><a name="a1049_77"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.77">#77</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.75">#75</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> <p>Brian,</p> <p>May as well leave it here, (in this unmoderated thread), as placing it in Industry News, stands good potential for leading to another thread of this kind.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 14 Mar 2006 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_78"></a><p><b>From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.78">#78</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.76">#76</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> <p>Thats a difficult one , If he has technical information to impart , I say grab it. He is named and shamed and has probably lost any personal respect that anyone had for him but that is another matter. He has been convicted and did serve so has deemed to have repaid his debt to society in the laws eyes. I don't think destroying him professionally will help anyone or anything.<br /> I suppose it's up to the individual to apply whatever form of further "justice" or punishment they deem needed.</p><hr /><a name="a1049_79"></a><p><b>From: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.79">#79</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.76">#76</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> <p>He was at Las Vegas. I had wondered then how things turned out. I will still read the EJ because I get good information from it. </p> <p>Several years ago - 5 - I took a class that Steve taught on laser engraving - I decided then that he was not someone I would take another class from. He was very opinionated about some things then later recanted his statements in articles. He also was somewhat rude to people who asked questions or offered opinions during the class. There are a lot more knowledgable people in the industry that I would prefer to here speak or read an article from.</p> <p>It may sound jaded but as an employer I would have a difficult time having someone who had been convicted of this type of crime work for me.</p> <p>Rodney said it well enough.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 14 Mar 2006 by JHAYES55</p> <hr /><a name="a1049_80"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.80">#80</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.76">#76</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> Bobkat,<br /> <br /> My thoughts on this subject can be found throughout this thread. My opinion hasn't changed, as a result of the outcome of Stephen's case. <hr /><a name="a1049_81"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.81">#81</a>]<br /> 14 Mar 2006<br /><b>To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1049.78">#78</a>] 14 Mar 2006</p> Thank you Rodney. 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