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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.46">Are we back already?</a></h1><a name="a1201_46"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.46">#46</a>]<br /> 25 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Rallyguy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.42">#42</a>] 25 Apr 2005</p> <p>Brian,</p> <p>If I have my way (which I seem to get;) any move to an upgrade of Beehive or another software, will need to be capable of retaining our current information.</p> <p>I have no doubt we could quickly populate a new forum from scratch, but that option would be at the very bottom of my wish list.</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_47"></a><p><b>From: bluepaw (EPOXE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.47">#47</a>]<br /> 25 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> I am so confused. But I'm here and that's all that matters.<hr /><a name="a1201_48"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.48">#48</a>]<br /> 25 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: bluepaw (EPOXE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.47">#47</a>] 25 Apr 2005</p> <p>If your confusion is over what this thread is all about, we made an abrupt move/remove to another style of forum software.</p> <p>Only for a few days, but long enough to determine this software, despite it lack of whistles and bells, is best for our style of running a forum.</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_49"></a><p><b>From: laserman (MIKEMAC)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.49">#49</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.48">#48</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>As CHUCK would put it</p> <p>"HERE TODAY GONE TO MAUI"</p> <p>I am glad this moving back and forth is done and we can move on. By the way what happened to the posts on the "New"/ "OLD" forum?</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_50"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.50">#50</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: laserman (MIKEMAC)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.49">#49</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>As far as I know they are in the bitbucket. I have no way of accessing that place anymore, no domain points to it.</p> <p>I posted a reply about selecting cutter bits that went down to basics, beyond what is here. I spent a lot of time on it and wish I could have transferred it.</p> <p>But the really good thing is that David listened to his gut, (much email between moderators, about 30 per day), and decided to come back here. We lost a few days of posts, but have the enormous benefit of all of the posts that are here.</p> <p>If you see something missing that was there, ask again, it will get answered again and will be here permanently.</p> <p>[Ahhhh, the comfort of home.]</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1201_51"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.51">#51</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: laserman (MIKEMAC)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.49">#49</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>Mike,</p> <p>Noel Fields, the Admin. of the vB forum, would have the answer to that question. Before our scurrying back home, I made a sincere offer to Noel to keep the vB forum going through his <a href="http://www.dyesubbers.com">www.dyesubbers.com</a> web site.</p> <p>As we saw, some people preferred the vB software, and it's fair to say Noel's dedication to online education hasn't diminished.</p> <p>I hope he took my offer seriously.</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_52"></a><p><b>From: Michael</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.52">#52</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.20">#20</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>David,</p> <p>Since beehive is using php, doesn't it have a mysql database associated with it? If it does, shouldn't you be able to backup the old posts and take them to a new server?</p> <p>Michael</p><hr /><a name="a1201_53"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.53">#53</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Michael</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.52">#52</a>] Unread</p> <p>It seems to have multiple data bases associated with it. It looks into different tables for the different functions. That makes it hard to transport to another forum set of software that looks for different tables with different field names.</p> <p>Our intent at this moment is to stay with Beehive and try to work in all of the expansions within that framework.</p> <p>It may turn out more difficult to accomplish that, but the ease of use for our members makes it worth while.</p> <p>I am really appreciative of our members attempts to get used to VBulliten and to see how it worked. It was a grand experiment, one that taught us a lot. It was not what we expected to learn, but that in itself is valuable.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1201_54"></a><p><b>From: Shaddy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.54">#54</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.53">#53</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>I'd also like to add... Don't be afraid to ask for donations... it might seem to the mods to cheapen what they're trying to do, but as a frequent reader I'd be happy to send a little to the poeple that help keep this site going. It would be different if this were a pay-site, I don't care for that route at this time, but I think you'd drum up enough for your present needs if you were to ask. Servers and everything associated with them cost money, we all understand that, and if you need a little monetary help keeping this site the way we seem to like it..........</p> <p>Just my $.02</p> <p>Shaddy</p><hr /><a name="a1201_55"></a><p><b>From: Ken D. (KDEVORY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.55">#55</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.50">#50</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>Harvey,</p> <p>Is the "only" problem, no domain name currently points there? If so, you can access it directly by its address. A DNS, domain name server, is just a lookup table. Input a alphanumeric name and get out a numerical address. If someone knows what the address was you can enter that directly into your web browser. (As long as the old new site is still running at that address.)</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_56"></a><p><b>From: Administrator (ADMIN)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.56">#56</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Michael</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.52">#52</a>] Unread</p> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote: </b></div> <div class="quote">Since beehive is using php, doesn't it have a mysql database associated with it? If it does, shouldn't you be able to backup the old posts and take them to a new server?</div> <p>Yes that is absolutely possible.</p> <p>I think Harvey mis-understood your question (or I did) and answered as if you were asking him if you could move it to another forum format. In that case (moving to a different forum software), it would be very, very difficult and could take months of programming time to make all the proper connections.</p> <p>Cherie</p><hr /><a name="a1201_57"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.57">#57</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Administrator (ADMIN)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.56">#56</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>Cherie,</p> <p>Yes I took it as asking about transferring to a new format. You are correct on both counts.</p> <p>Ken,</p> <p>If you know the IP address, or anyone else does, I may be able to get some info back over to here. I never looked for the IP address. Now that I think about it, I do not know how to look it up even for here.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1201_58"></a><p><b>From: Ken D. (KDEVORY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.58">#58</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.57">#57</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>Whoever set up the site should have the address. <br /> For myself I registered a domain name with godaddy. I then choose a different company for hosting. When I signed up with the host they gave me the address. I then needed to enter that number in the godaddy system for the name to map properly. Whoever did this process should have the number. (It was supplied by the host.)</p> <p>I use the addresses for my internal network, but I'm not sure how to get them for a site I'm visiting. I'm sure someone here will know. There should be a simple utility, don't know if it'll be present on windows.</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_59"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.59">#59</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Ken D. (KDEVORY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.58">#58</a>] 27 Apr 2005</p> <p>Ken,</p> <p>That person is no longer responding. Do not read anything into this statement, just what it says. There could be millions of reasons.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1201_60"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.60">#60</a>]<br /> 26 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Shaddy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.54">#54</a>] 26 Apr 2005</p> <p>The donation idea has been brought up before. I can only speak for myself in saying, it would make me feel kinda like a charity case or pan-handler.</p> <p>I'd be much more comfortable in attaching a modest price tag.</p> <p>Not to say we wouldn't appreciate the help. I'm not sure how much time David T. and Harvey spend in their contributions to the success of this forum. It's considerable, I'm sure.</p> <p>As for myself, to be as active as I feel I must, it does cut into my "day job" which is the income producing side.</p> <p>It's a tough issue. Many people feel that everything on the internet must remain free. I certainly wouldn't intend to send anyone packin' but that may be the reality. Without even mentioning a price, some people will bail, just because the "P" word has been invoked.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1201_61"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.61">#61</a>]<br /> 27 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.60">#60</a>] 27 Apr 2005</p> <p>I did have one thought on the pay thing. The minimum that you can get web connectivity, being advertised heavily, turns out to be about $120 per year. [Just a random thought, no meaning really.]</p> <p>I never really thought about that before. [Of course DSL is a lot more than that.]</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a1201_62"></a><p><b>From: Ken D. (KDEVORY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.62">#62</a>]<br /> 27 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.60">#60</a>] 27 Apr 2005</p> <p>I'm curious to see the approach.</p> <p>($amount needed) / (# members) = $membership<br /> or<br /> ($value?) * (# members) = $collected</p> <p>Two very different philosophies</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_63"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.63">#63</a>]<br /> 27 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Ken D. (KDEVORY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.62">#62</a>] 27 Apr 2005</p> <p>Ken,</p> <p>I'm interested in all equations, though, the bottom line is, in order to get this site where we want it to go, "$" will be necessary.</p> <p>Covering operating costs will be a good start, but I won't attempt to fool anyone; I see a very decent profit potential for myself and others.</p> <p>Of course, as in any business, turning money back into the business, to benefit the membership is a given.</p> <p>The pay concept will go over much easier if people consider their membership fee, more an investment, than a drain on resources.</p> <p>If we can't make the members' fee seem insignificant, in comparison to the already-exisiting information on making your business more profitable, through money/substrate-saving tips, prudent business advice and the all-important 411/911 aspect of providing crucial information and emergency help, we'll have failed miserably.</p> <hr /><a name="a1201_64"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.64">#64</a>]<br /> 27 Apr 2005<br /><b>To: Ken D. (KDEVORY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=1201.62">#62</a>] 27 Apr 2005</p> <p>Ken,</p> <p> You said....... " I'm curious to see the approach.</p> <p>($amount needed) / (# members) = $membership<br /> or<br /> ($value?) * (# members) = $collected</p> <p>Two very different philosophies"</p> <p><br /> I agree that they are two different philosophies, but i think the ( $amount needed) / (# members ) = $membership is the way to go becuase the formula using value is flawed in that the repective VALUE of this forum is different for everyone. I find HIGH Value in it, others may not. The effort DD&H put into this is almost immeasureable.....and how does one put a value on THAT? 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