From: Zelmon [#7]
2 Aug 2006
To: ALL
Thanks for the replies, all advice taken on board. Reference your comment Roy re-prices, perhaps the UK is a tad cheaper ?? I'll check out the bog standard Dell workhorse model and post the price up, just for a comparison. As a general rule with software / computers I have found that upgrades are inevitable ....eventually, otherwise we would all be in W95 territory.
I also seem to be getting more EPS files this past year, do not really know why, not a problem though, let someone else sit with a wacom pen wafting around in a sweaty grip.
Simon Cork
Sheffield UK
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#8]
3 Aug 2006
To: Zelmon [#7] 3 Aug 2006
This spring I bought a Dell with a P4 - 2.8Ghz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, CD-RW drive and 17" LCD monitor for a hair over $500. It handles X3 quite well.
It's not my main design computer, just one to sit in the laser room, but I do a lot of touchups and tweaks on it using X3. My main design computer is a dual Xeon 3.2Ghz, 2GB RAM, dual 250GB RAID drives, and dual 21" monitors with a graphics card that by itself cost almost 3 times what the Dell cost. But I use that for pc board CAD, Lightwave, and a lot of other graphics work besides X3.
EDITED: 3 Aug 2006 by DAVERJ
From: Goodvol (JIMGOOD) [#9]
3 Aug 2006
To: ALL
Tigerdirect.com has some good prices on computers and peripherals. It's worth taking a look.
From: Awardsguy [#10]
5 Aug 2006
To: ALL
Dell has made me a couple of good deals this year. Got a new desktop with flat panel and a new notebook for a total of about $850. Good features on both. As for X3, I think it's worth the upgrade. Really like the Trace improvements. It's save me a bunch of time.
From: Johnny Orange (LIFETIME) [#11]
5 Aug 2006
To: Zelmon [#1] 5 Aug 2006
x3 is a good to me. I find the create a boundary a big step as I cut out a lot of graphics from acrylic and then fix them on a plaque using spacers between the plaque and acrylic. looks superb. Many other features as well. The question you should be putting to yourself "Can I afford not to have it" Keep up with tech mate :-)
From: Zelmon [#12]
6 Aug 2006
To: ALL
OK so here goes with UK prices for you yanks, not that it is an issue on this forum, just for interest. I thought, for some reason a Dell computed in the UK would be cheaper, but it is not. In fact we are an expensive country and taxes are high, though this post is non political!! Assuming $1.78 to £1 then :
Petrol is $1.66 per litre or about $7.5 for an English gallon, of which 85% is tax. A meal for two in a decent restaurant in an average town with a bottle of wine would be $75, I dread to think what central London would cost, I never go there. A decent seat for a top West End show (like a Webber production) would be $80 just for the ticket, so two people for a meal, drinks, show and taxis in the West end, take $400 with you
To heat an average house for the year, most people have gas, would be $1100. An average 4 door mid size car from a reputable European manufacturer would be $14k and a Toyota RAV 4 which I know you have over there is about $35k. For me to fly to Vegas next February, well Manchester via Atlanta return on Delta would be about $575 inclusive.
Computers, I could only just manage a very basic Dell for $500, that might have a 15" flatscreen, but for some reason Dell assume 3.5 inch floppies were never used in the UK, cos we have to pay $25 for a floppy drive. The price look good in the adverts, but they add things on, like delivery at $65, I can get a computer size box/weight next day delivery in the Uk for about $20
As for a Dell with plenty of RAM and a big screen, well it has got to be a bit over the $1k mark, but not by much
Corel X3, well I have located an academic version for £85 plus delivery at say £5 making a dollar total of $157, but for that you get no book, which I am not bothered about, because I think the Corel manuals are rubbish actually
So there you have it, if you fancy a holiday in the UK, bring some dosh
Simon Cork
Sheffield UK
EDITED: 6 Aug 2006 by ZELMON
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#13]
6 Aug 2006
To: Zelmon [#12] 7 Aug 2006
Some of those prices are inline with ours, some are certainly higher. Broadway plays cost 30% more than the same ones in the West End. A high end bottle of Scotch costs about the same here, but good wine might be 2 or 3 times higher here.
Most computer companies here stopped including floppies a year or two ago. I guess they feel people mostly use CD-R for computer to computer, or have a LAN.
Many European countries charge high import duties on anything electronic. Even before all this RoHS/WEEE crap went into effect. Now with the added EU regulations on disposal of electronics, it has become very expensive for companies to sell electronics in Europe. (I manufacture electronic equipment and between CE, RoHS, and import duties, I have to charge almost double to sell over there)
For a lot of electronics we also have the economy of scale, with 5 times the population of the UK.
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