From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#19]
23 Oct 2006
To: LipChip [#18] 25 Oct 2006
David,
I'm planning on being there.
Looking forward to seeing what the gizmo can do. :-)
From: Ruben (QUIEROLEARN) [#20]
23 Oct 2006
To: LipChip [#18] 25 Oct 2006
Hi David,
I may see you tomorrow, I'm working over time tonight :)
Ruben
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#21]
23 Oct 2006
To: Ruben (QUIEROLEARN) [#20] 23 Oct 2006
Ruben,
That would be great!
Not the fact that you're working overtime. :S
I'll keep an eye out for you.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#22]
24 Oct 2006
To: ALL
Here's what David Vernon said, in a previous post:
quote:
Wow!! I spent all of today getting my first lessons on the 3D Pictaflex machine. It is awesome, and opens the possibilities of decoration much more than I ever thought possible.
Coming from someone involved with the promotion of the technology, what would you expect? :-)
But here's the deal; I have absolutely no axe to grind, either for or against this technology and I agree with David's statement.
I've invited the company representatives, who I met this afternoon, to come to the forum, to answer any questions you may have about Pictaflex.
I've forewarned them that this is a knowledge-hungry crowd and we can detect spam from miles away. :-)
Actually, they're very nice people and they look forward to talking about this exciting technology with us.
Stay tuned.
From: LipChip [#23]
25 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#22] 25 Oct 2006
Thank you, David, and Rueben for visiting our office to see the technology. Looking forward to helping share my experiences and testings with the knowledge-hungry crowd with the Pictaflex machine and technology.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#24]
25 Oct 2006
To: LipChip [#23] 26 Oct 2006
David,
Thanks for the invite. The field trip to the neighboring businesses, was almost as interesting. :-)
A lot of talent.
From: Ruben (QUIEROLEARN) [#25]
25 Oct 2006
To: LipChip [#23] 26 Oct 2006
Hi David,
Thank you for inviting us, the process was very interesting... specially seen make a complete full wrap mug, handle and all.
I think the machine has potential
Ruben
From: ImagedUSA (KEVIN) [#26]
25 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#22] 25 Oct 2006
David,
thank you very much for coming to the first demo of the Pictaflex Technology yesterday at Lipchip Solutions. I appreciate your interest and the community interest in our new 3D decorative technology. I am happy to answer questions posed directly on this forum regarding the technology. Members can also contact us directly regarding commercial questions. ICI-Imagedata greatly appreciate the opportunity to share knowledge of the Pictaflex Process via this forum. I promise to keep the commericals out of the discussion.
Thank you,
Kevin Howes
North American Sales Manager
ICI-Imagedata
From: sunny (SUNSHINE5555) [#27]
25 Oct 2006
To: ALL
Wow, I looked at the flash video they had and it does look awesome.
Something else to put on the wish list :)
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#28]
25 Oct 2006
To: ImagedUSA (KEVIN) [#26] 25 Oct 2006
Thank you Kevin.
We appreciate your participation.
One question that came to mind, is the UV resistance of the images.
From the sample products I saw at the demo, some, i.e. automobile door handle inserts (if that's what you call them) and the motorcyle dash board surround, while showing great potential for higher-end applications, will most likely see steady exposure to UV light, which would bring the longevity of the image into question.
I'm pretty sure, most people buying those custom components, will do so, with an assumption of permanence.
EDITED: 25 Oct 2006 by DGL
From: Charles Sargeant (CSARGEANT) [#29]
26 Oct 2006
To: ALL
Dear All,
Please let me take this opportunity to introduce myself. I am Charles Sargeant Pictalfex project manager for ICI Imagedata, and work along side Kevin Howes (our North American Sales Manager).
May I take this initial opportunity to thank David for inviting me to discuss any queries that you may have regarding Pictaflex in this forum.
I appreceiate that this is not a forum that appreciates commercial pitches, however I am willing to answer any questions that you may regarding the technology.
I look forward to hearing from you all.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#30]
26 Oct 2006
To: Charles Sargeant (CSARGEANT) [#29] Unread
Thank you Charles.
Did you see the question I posed to Kevin, regarding fade-resistance of images created, using your process?
Knowing your process uses standard ArTainium sublimation ink, I suspect that prolonged exposure to direct UV light wouldn't be recommended.
If so, that wouldn't bode well, for some of the items you had on display.
From: ImagedUSA (KEVIN) [#31]
26 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#28] 26 Oct 2006
"One question that came to mind, is the UV resistance of the images.
From the sample products I saw at the demo, some, i.e. automobile door handle inserts (if that's what you call them) and the motorcyle dash board surround, while showing great potential for higher-end applications, will most likely see steady exposure to UV light, which would bring the longevity of the image into question."
David,
with regard to UV resistance here is what we know thus far.
Our accelerated testing (xenon arc test) indicated 6 year office light environment aging when the inks were used in conjunction with our lacquer (diffusion coating.) The lacquer is sometimes required for parts where the material can't accept direct diffusion. In this accelerated testing we witnessed a fade of 5%.
Keep in mind that UV fading will be dependent upon many factors including but not limited to:
The substrate material
The inks
Whether or not the material has a base lacquer or diffusion coating
Whether or not the material has a topcoat (post diffusion)
Environment and use or abuse
Abrasion and pollution are other variables that can affect image quality life.
Thanks,
Kevin Howes
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#32]
26 Oct 2006
To: ImagedUSA (KEVIN) [#31] 26 Oct 2006
Thank you Kevin,
Were your examples of motorcyle instrument surrounds and door handle recesses (on display) specially coated?
In an office light environment, through my unofficial testing, I'd probably give more than 6 years life, to a sublimated image, with the provisos you mentioned.
Outdoors is another matter.
Has there been accelerated UV testing, representing outdoor exposure of Pictaflex output?
Considering your process transfers dye, at a much lower temperature, therefore, before it reaches a gaseous state, I'd have to assume the dyes aren't "driven" into the surface, or coating of the substrate, as deeply as items using much more heat in the process.
From: ImagedUSA (KEVIN) [#33]
26 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#32] 26 Oct 2006
Dave,
the automotive parts we displayed did have the Pictaflex lacquer on them to accept the dyes. The use of lacquer is very much dependent upon the type of plastic. In the automotive industry those parts would receive several layers of UV protectant coatings to protect the parts regardless of the the decorative process. (Typically the process would be hydrographics.) Keep in mind that this is a new technology and process and have not had the time to complete a robust testing that the auto industry requires. However we are working on several industrial applications with expectations of good results.
In addition, I believe that for the kind of applications that are typical of
2D sublimation ,the Pictaflex process is at least equal in terms of durability. It is different though in it's ability to decorate 3D as you witnessed with the full wrap coffee mug.
Thanks for the questions.
Kevin
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#34]
26 Oct 2006
To: ImagedUSA (KEVIN) [#33] 26 Oct 2006
Thank you Kevin,
I'm looking forward to the advancement (and announcements) of the industrial applications.
As we witnessed at the demo, once people saw the technology, the synergy between attendees took over and the potential uses for the machine will no doubt multiply, as people find and exploit its niche markets.
Neat stuff! :-)
EDITED: 26 Oct 2006 by DGL
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