Full Version: Are we back already?
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#60]
26 Apr 2005
To: Shaddy [#54] 26 Apr 2005
The donation idea has been brought up before. I can only speak for myself in saying, it would make me feel kinda like a charity case or pan-handler.
I'd be much more comfortable in attaching a modest price tag.
Not to say we wouldn't appreciate the help. I'm not sure how much time David T. and Harvey spend in their contributions to the success of this forum. It's considerable, I'm sure.
As for myself, to be as active as I feel I must, it does cut into my "day job" which is the income producing side.
It's a tough issue. Many people feel that everything on the internet must remain free. I certainly wouldn't intend to send anyone packin' but that may be the reality. Without even mentioning a price, some people will bail, just because the "P" word has been invoked.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#61]
27 Apr 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#60] 27 Apr 2005
I did have one thought on the pay thing. The minimum that you can get web connectivity, being advertised heavily, turns out to be about $120 per year. [Just a random thought, no meaning really.]
I never really thought about that before. [Of course DSL is a lot more than that.]
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#62]
27 Apr 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#60] 27 Apr 2005
I'm curious to see the approach.
($amount needed) / (# members) = $membership
or
($value?) * (# members) = $collected
Two very different philosophies
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#63]
27 Apr 2005
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#62] 27 Apr 2005
Ken,
I'm interested in all equations, though, the bottom line is, in order to get this site where we want it to go, "$" will be necessary.
Covering operating costs will be a good start, but I won't attempt to fool anyone; I see a very decent profit potential for myself and others.
Of course, as in any business, turning money back into the business, to benefit the membership is a given.
The pay concept will go over much easier if people consider their membership fee, more an investment, than a drain on resources.
If we can't make the members' fee seem insignificant, in comparison to the already-exisiting information on making your business more profitable, through money/substrate-saving tips, prudent business advice and the all-important 411/911 aspect of providing crucial information and emergency help, we'll have failed miserably.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#64]
27 Apr 2005
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#62] 27 Apr 2005
Ken,
You said....... " I'm curious to see the approach.
($amount needed) / (# members) = $membership
or
($value?) * (# members) = $collected
Two very different philosophies"
I agree that they are two different philosophies, but i think the ( $amount needed) / (# members ) = $membership is the way to go becuase the formula using value is flawed in that the repective VALUE of this forum is different for everyone. I find HIGH Value in it, others may not. The effort DD&H put into this is almost immeasureable.....and how does one put a value on THAT? So by my way of thinking....... amount/members = membership fee
From: gt350ed [#65]
27 Apr 2005
To: ALL
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#66]
27 Apr 2005
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#64] 27 Apr 2005
Chuck,
Yes that can take into account overhead, salaries, and profit.
The second approach is market driven. As to your comment on value, think basic economic curves for price vs unit sales, and maximizing income. (Some threads have discussed the pros/cons of joining various professional organizations.)
I suspect the second approach will be taken at the point in time when both are equal.
From: JHayes55 [#67]
28 Apr 2005
To: gt350ed [#65] 28 Apr 2005
Ed I agree with you. The next thing you know we will have Chuck
so smart that he can move to a paradise island and bask in the warm
sunshine year round.
Hey wait a minute..........
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#68]
28 Apr 2005
To: gt350ed [#65] 28 Apr 2005
Membership Fees = $25.00
Time on forum = $65.00
Abuse from forum members "priceless"
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#69]
28 Apr 2005
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#68] 28 Apr 2005
Chuck, *you* are priceless.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#70]
28 Apr 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#69] 28 Apr 2005
From: Rose (RSLIEPKA) [#71]
1 May 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#63] 1 May 2005
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#72]
1 May 2005
To: Rose (RSLIEPKA) [#71] 1 May 2005
Rose,
You are in the right spot.
After evaluating the responses to the other forum software and considering the differences between it and the Beehive format, it was determined that the domain names be redirected to this format. The .biz and .org domains are both directed here now. Let us know if you are having any problems.
EDITED: 1 May 2005 by DATAKES
From: LaserMike [#73]
3 May 2005
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#72] 3 May 2005
Just a quick comment/observation - the engravingetc.etc site does not forward to engravingetc.org site.
Although it does appear that the .biz site is 'mirroring' the .org site?
Same content, different icons.
Example, if you hit http://www.altatech.us it automagically forwards/redirects to http://www.altatech.biz
-Mike
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#74]
3 May 2005
To: LaserMike [#73] 3 May 2005
There is no engravingetc.etc site.
The .biz and the .org point to the same place.
It was a problem with the ability to transfer that caused the registration of the .biz address. It was needed to guarantee not being down for an unspecified time. As it turned out it was not necessary, but it was a close call.
From: LaserMike [#75]
3 May 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#74] 3 May 2005
D'Oh!! I meant .biz!
i.e.
http://www.engravingetc.biz
vs.
http://www.engravingetc.org
So, hitting the <ahem!> .BIZ site it does not forward to the .org site...
Regards,
-Mike
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#76]
3 May 2005
To: LaserMike [#75] 3 May 2005
No, it does not forward you, it goes there directly. They both point to the same IP address. Why the icons are different is beyond me. The selection of the viewing characteristics from your preferences is stored, (to the best of my knowledge), in a cookie on your computer. It *should* not make a difference in your viewing unless it is a different computer. Then you can change the preferences from that computer and it should be stored for you.
I use the light blue setting. I like the icons of that better than the bee and flower.
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EDITED: 3 May 2005 by HARVEY-ONLY
From: gt350ed [#77]
3 May 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#76] 3 May 2005
Hey dudes and dudettes! I've been off-Forum for a day or two. Did Chuck go out of business yet?
LOL--> he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he , he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he....................
From: gt350ed [#78]
3 May 2005
To: gt350ed [#77] 3 May 2005
Hey! I did not send that previous post. That was really cold. NOT funny. Someone is using my "userid". Yea, that's right. They used my userid. Yea, and it was Joe Hayes. That's right it was Joe.
Get a rope.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#79]
25 May 2005
To: gt350ed [#77] Unread
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