Full Version: Thoughts and Decisions

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#87]
 1 Jun 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#86] 1 Jun 2006

Ever since this issue hit the fan, a few weeks ago, I've seen you mention different variations, and had different reactions to people's suggestions. So I can tell you are reacting to input and looking for the best direction to go.

One other point to make for the 3-tier system I mentioned, by keeping the forums free (except for a couple of members-only private folders) you keep highly knowledgeable folks around who don't feel they should have to pay to participate. Plus you dilute the power of competing forums, since this will still be the place to hang out. ;-) 

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#88]
 1 Jun 2006
To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#75] 1 Jun 2006

quote:
but in the final analysis , that is exactly what some posters are - suckers of info


Another way to look at it, at least for a certain amount of the people that come here, is more like sponges. They soak up what they can and then after a while they get full enough that they start putting back for others to soak up. :-) 

A leech to me implies doing some harm to the ones giving out the info. The only ones of those I can think of would be people sucking up info here so they can spread it on another forum as if it were their own knowledge. :-( 

From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#89]
 1 Jun 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#85] 1 Jun 2006

quote:
ier 1 == No monthly/yearly fee. Just join the forum (with a real name).


Guess that would eliminate Mr Sprint since he doesn't like to give out his name, even on his own forum.

From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#90]
 1 Jun 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#78] 2 Jun 2006

David , to go back will cost me .... I can go elsewhere and get more or less the same info free. I have seen the regular contributors to that forum posting where they never did before , which indicates that they too have gone elsewhere.

From: UncleSteve [#91]
 1 Jun 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#88] 1 Jun 2006

OUCH! >.< 

AND right on the money! ;-) 

From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#92]
 1 Jun 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#88] 1 Jun 2006

I am grateful for the "leeches" asking questions I never thought of. Sometimes that's more valuable than the answers.

From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#93]
 1 Jun 2006
To: ALL

Sorry, but the posts that I am seeing from some still point that they are upset that a change was decided on for this site without their consult first and also that they feel their input is what makes or breaks this forum, so for them to not to get a "cut" is a slap in the face. The fact of the matter is that the ones here nay saying about the percentages that will take off truly have no clue as to how this site will do. If it takes a dive after the pay site goes public, then you guys can snap your rotator cuffs patting yourselves on the back for calling it, but the truth of the matter is, if this site is being held together by a select few as presented then it is the moderators working behind the scenes and not a select few who feel that their input is the only reason us leeches come around. I refuse to get caught up in new screaming matches with a few individuals with over developed egos, but I must say that at this point, the obvious change from free to fee is going to happen. If you have a problem with it, go ahead and leave. Save those of us that intend on staying around the headache.

From: Mike (BIGPIXEL) [#94]
 1 Jun 2006
To: ALL

Dave, Harvey and All,

I just caught up with this thread and all I'd really like to suggest is that your only mistake at this point in time is attempting to hash it all out in public before the change over. If you're going to a subscription basis, and I know that you are, I'd recommend that you design it as you want and then spring it on the masses when ready to launch with full bells and whistles in place, similar to the Rob Galbraith photo site transfer that Rodney has been speaking about. That does represent a financial risk, but one you must be willing to take.

This endless back and forth over $3/day isn't convincing anyone in advance that a pay site would benefit them more than the current free site. Why? They can't see the difference or added value yet.

You're on the right track, you just need to make a leap of faith. There are very few viable reference centers on the web for what is discussed here daily. Personally I think people will subscribe AFTER they are able to see what they're missing if they don't. Its the combination of personalities, extra value offerings and site uniqueness that should draw people in.

That's the deal maker folks! Added value over a chat list!

BTW, I am very happy and eager to be considered worthy of being a photographic contributor to the new site and look forward to the opportunity to add value to the site's purpose if I can.

EDITED: 1 Jun 2006 by BIGPIXEL

From: UncleSteve [#95]
 1 Jun 2006
To: Mike (BIGPIXEL) [#94] 2 Jun 2006

Mike,

The only disagreement we have is probably based on a typo....

It is $3 / MONTH, not per day for the basic membership.... :D 

From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48) [#96]
 2 Jun 2006
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#93] 2 Jun 2006

Franklin,

I couldn't have said it better!!

Can we get an Amen from the Congregation.

Going pay IS going to happen, for those of you still rehashing it, GET OVER IT. You have choices and you are allowed to exercise them.

Just my opinion,
Dave

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#97]
 2 Jun 2006
To: Mike (BIGPIXEL) [#94] 2 Jun 2006

Mike,

Our hashing this out in public, was done for one basic reason:

We have longstanding reationships with the forum members, whom we consider a family. In light of the displeasure with our decison to become a subscription-based site, we wanted to make the transition as democratic as possible.

In doing so, I think we've demonstrated how difficult and imperfect the decison-making process can be. Much moreso, than I would have originally thought.

Harvey and I spoke at length last night, and we've drawn our conclusions.

We'll tweak and fine tune those conclusions, before making any further announcements.

From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#98]
 2 Jun 2006
To: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48) [#96] 2 Jun 2006

Amen, Amen, Amen!!! Letting the decision linger much longer will wear on members and they WILL begin to move on. The opportunity and support is here now. Let's get the ball moving, whatever the decision is.

This topic has been discussed almost to a point of boredom. Let's move!!!

EDITED: 2 Jun 2006 by DATAKES

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