Full Version: CorelDRAW question
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#8]
29 Aug 2006
To: Carl (CSEWELL) [#5] 29 Aug 2006
From: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#9]
29 Aug 2006
To: gingem [#4] 29 Aug 2006
Bill,
I'll be darned! How is it that I never saw that in Corel? Your solution is greatly appreciated.
Now that you explain it, Xenetech has a function to display and change direction of polylines and the older ScanVec programs used the direction when routing to determine which was the inside and which was the outside of the object for inlay applications. But, thousands (maybe 100s of 1000s) of times I've combined shapes from every conceivable source (I thought)and never had that happen; so, I didn't think the "clock sense" was relevant in Corel.
After reading your post, I spent more time than I have available to understand that a bit better, but I still am a little fuzzy on how it works. For instance,
create a square, fill with a color,
put a circle inside,
convert both to curves,
make duplicate of both and move aside
in one, select nodes in circle and reverse order
finally, combine them and regardless of direction, holes are in both
What's the difference between this and our sample problem?
EDITED: 29 Aug 2006 by ROYBREWER
From: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#10]
29 Aug 2006
To: Carl (CSEWELL) [#5] 29 Aug 2006
Carl,
The file I posted is the "least common denominator" of the problem I had when I downloaded the free monthly scroll saw pattern from http://www.berrybasket.com
After reworking the file a bit, I thought one final "Combine" would finish it off and much to my surprise, 1/2 of the "holes" were not "holes."
Bill's explanation makes sense because whatever/whoever created the graphic obviously mirrored the other 1/2 and changed "clock wise sense" in the process(?).
From: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#11]
29 Aug 2006
To: logojohn [#6] 30 Aug 2006
http://www.engravingetc.org/forum/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=3412.1
John,
I missed that post or forgot that I read it. Turns out Harvey had already given us the solution, but evidently talked himself out of it(?).
From: Johnny Orange (LIFETIME) [#12]
29 Aug 2006
To: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#1] 30 Aug 2006
Roy
I've opened up the image and had a play with it. My question to you is what are you actually trying to achieve with the image.
It may sound a dumb question and reading all the posts I'm still none the wiser
Can you enlighten please >.<
From: gingem [#13]
29 Aug 2006
To: ALL
Hi Roy
I have not played around with it since I found the solution. You will find this happening a lot with text converting it to curves and then combining. The holes in some letters take on the parent fill and then you have to break them reverse the inner and then combine them again. The reason a lot of people do not have this problem is that most do not use the combine command but just fill the inner portions with white to make it appear to be empty.
I do a lot of logo work and find this happening quite often with text. There are a lot of little quirks and specialty things in Corel that can make your life so much easier when you take the time to find them. Have you ever tried to group or combine some items that one or more have things inside of them that makes it harder to select with just using a marquee select? If while selecting items with the marquee toll you hold down the alternate key, instead of having to surround an object to select it all you have to do is touch it and it becomes selected. Great when you have a lot of detail and need to select some of them. Give it a try!
From: Carl (CSEWELL) [#14]
30 Aug 2006
To: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#10] 30 Aug 2006
And, therefore, another mirror should fix the problem also. I tried it on your file. I mirrored the outside shape and was able to combine the two objects with the middle object being a hole. This is another 'fix' that is probably easier to implement when you have at least one axis of symmetry.
Thanks.
From: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#15]
30 Aug 2006
To: Johnny Orange (LIFETIME) [#12] 30 Aug 2006
It's not something that I couldn't make work, it was my curiosity as to the strange behavior.
I had never before seen this behavior, both Bill and logoJohn say they've seen this many times. This a part of what they do for a living and probably do much more of this type work than I. While the fixes provided will be remembered and passed on to others in the future, I still want to understand why this only happens on some occasions. I have several suspicions, but not the time to devote to them.