Full Version: Sprinter - WOE Problem

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#37]
13 Jan 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#34] 13 Jan 2007

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It seems as if every other browser allows it without question up to this point.

Websites reading the clipboard was defined as a security risk several years ago. Firefox dasabled that ability after version 0.9.3, which came before the "preview" release of Firefox, 2-1/2 years ago.

It is especially a security risk in forums because some people copy/paste their passwords.

The IE control to enable/disable clipboard access by web sites is not new in IE7. It was added in IE6, also a couple of years ago.

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#38]
13 Jan 2007
To: sprinter [#35] 13 Jan 2007

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IE7 is reporting the security cookie request as a clipboard read request.

Just curious if you have a link to a page on Microsoft that confirms this? Or on a reputable security site?

I've seen MSDN reports of the clipboard dialog box repeatedly popping up since IE7 RC1, but have not seen any mention of what you are saying with a cookie request popping up that dialog box in IE7.

From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#39]
13 Jan 2007
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#36] 13 Jan 2007

I am no more moderator or have a stake in the WOE than I am or do here on EE. In other words....Im neither on any of the Engraving forums.

I have simply embraced both, and I am frusterated to see a clear distain from the EE side at this point based on their behavior...........

I know that the history of the WOE forum is based on a seperation of ideals, born from the time that David decided to go pay.......I know that exchange wasn't necessarily pretty....but we are a long way from back then.....and I have always suggested and supported having more than one forum......Even at the time of the initial split of sprinter off on his own.

Unfortunately some of the EE forum members don't have the stomach for fair competition.......

They are looking for a Monopoly on the engraving forum idea, because the WOE threatens the idea of going pay for this forum. It has from the beginning...in fact that was it's original purpose.....Sprinter didn't like the way David wanted to take this forum so he started another competing forum. He was then forced to go pay because of a malicioius uploader that spammed the site with pornography under the guise of an EE supporter. Now I have no way of proving or disproving what they presented themselves as. I highly doubt any of the members that run this forum would have ever done such a deed, and have too much respect for them to ever put them in that kind of position.

That said.....I am indifferent to both forums. I will support both equaly, and intend to become a member of the pay group here on EE as well when they go that route.

Right now I like each forum for different reasons. What I don't like is feeling that one is lower on the scale because one has been around for a while, a feeling I get every time someone over here gets a chance to take a jab at the WOE forum. The new forum has some great options......Nothing against this one....just simple straight talk, and I really think that some of the people here are just doing what they can to give it a bad rap, every chance they get. You don't see that kind of behavior over there, unless someone from the EE starts complaining about the differences over there. Otherwise the EE is not discussed. No one over there is looking over their shoulder at the EE forum.....so there's no reason to be threatened.....This forum is different in that regard however. Every chance that they have to browbeat the WOE forum....they take. Picking it apart piece by piece.

If there is any bias about the forum's...it's coming from people like you.

From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#40]
13 Jan 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#6] 13 Jan 2007

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Harvey........Wouldn't a question about the WOE forum best be posted on the WOE forum? Right now I see this as a cheap shot at a simply fixed problem due to the new upgrade....How about we play nice between the forums, and take the problems for those forums directly where they belong..........I didn't expect this from you of all people.....

Read the post I did more carefully and you would have had the answer before your taking these shots. After I read the rest of this thread I might just delete it all or some posts.

I DO Not use IE7, I use IE6. I do not intend to go to Firefox, so stop thinking you have the best program. IE6 would not allow me to say no, it would just pop up again. Again read the post

The whole idea was to alert Sprinter of a problem I was having, because I could not get onto WOE to post him a message. Again read the post.

I will not make a comment on cheap shots, because the answer would be one.

From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#41]
13 Jan 2007
To: sprinter [#17] 13 Jan 2007

Again to you this time.

Read the first post and understand what I said. When I said 'NO', it would not allow me to access WOE and was a pain even to shut down the browser. Next time you have a problem that will lose you members, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut.

From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#42]
13 Jan 2007
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#40] 13 Jan 2007

Harvey, you could have easily e-mailed him through this forum.

From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#43]
13 Jan 2007
To: ALL

I have finally read the entire thread, and am sorely tempted to delete the whole thing. I think I will sleep on it.

The intent of alerting Sprinter of a problem here, because I could not safely log in to WOE was accomplished. And sorrowfully too much else.

As I said, I will sleep on it then maybe say good-by to it.

From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#44]
13 Jan 2007
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#40] 13 Jan 2007

Harvey,

That was my first thought. That is why I offered to give you Ken's direct business e-mail address. I figured it would be the most direct way for you to get in touch with him.

From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#45]
13 Jan 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#39] 13 Jan 2007

Again I say I am sorry if you took what I said the wrong way, but it did come off that you were being a little more WOE supportive in here. I would prefer not to here anything about WOE in EE and vise versa. Now as for the comments about not hearing any jabs over there unless someone from EE starts it, that is bull and its just a matter of going over there and checking out the archives. The first two months of WOE was constant jabs at EE and David personally. It wasn't that long ago that someone came over here and started a thread for no other purpose than to give a cheap plug for a new feature of WOE and point out it was a feature that EE did not have.

There are equal jabs going on and that is not the point, the point is that WOE has become the very thing that WOE was created to against. EE was going pay and everyone knew it, WOE was touted as being better because it would stay free. There was all of these borderline shameless plugs for WOE's features and now you have to pay for those features.

Its not one thing, its the fact that there are levels of corruption in WOE from its inception to now. One dishonest or, at least, shady action following another. Everything about EE going pay was upfront. This is the first anything has been said in EE or WOE about someone "posing" as an EE member started uploading porn.

Like the comment about EE being the one throwing jabs, this is one of many half truths that are associated with WOE and now we get BS'd by Sprinter about this clipboard reader. Like unclesteve said, if he had went and said he didn't know but would check it out, that would have been more credible than to assume that everyone in here had no clue about what it was and give us some story about cookies.

From: sprinter [#46]
13 Jan 2007
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#41] 13 Jan 2007

Thank you for your concern. My monitoring software alerted me after the 2nd failed login attempt.

From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#47]
13 Jan 2007
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#45] 13 Jan 2007

Franklin...I am supporting the WOE because I think it's being unfairly criticized. I would do the same for the EE if the shoe was on the other foot.

We aren't living in the first two months of the WOE existance....The forum has moved on and hasn't really stopped back to worry about the EE forum. I wish the EE forum would do the same about the WOE.

If I wanted to plug the WOE forum I would have been more blatant...Talking about the specific features etc...I said throughout the thread that I thought that would be crossing the line.....and I won't go there. Besides, I like them both as I said before, I just don't like that this forum tends to attack the other all the time.

Whatever the WOE was created for changed when someone uploaded a bunch of porn. For whatever reason, that became a decision that changed the direction of that forum forever. It's history....it's a pay site now....We all have to live with it. Again.....old news.....no point in reliving it, or arguing about the decision. That time is past.

Franklin, besides what your sig says, you're clearly a cynic, and I highly doubt I will ever be able to change your mind. That's ok. Your solution to all your problems with the inception of the WOE forum is simple. If you dislike everything about it, don't join. No one is forcing anyone. It's just another venue like this one.....They both have their pro's and con's.

Problem solved.........no?

My complaints here were about the constant pick pick picking about anything negative that can be found. This simple popup "decision" is just a current example......Instead, competition should be embraced as something good for the consumers. It keeps people/forums/businesses from becoming fat and lazy, and too comfortable with the status quo.

EDITED: 13 Jan 2007 by RALLYGUY1

From: Peter [#48]
13 Jan 2007
To: ALL

who cares
I-)

just spare us.............

EDITED: 13 Jan 2007 by PETER

From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#49]
13 Jan 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#47] 14 Jan 2007

Well I guess we are not seeing the same group forums here, because it was as little as a few weeks ago that I read a thread slamming on David. I do have to catch myself though because one of my statements was about what I believed was you just a few weeks ago coming on bragging about the chat room over in WOE. Was I wrong on that? If it wasn't you, then I am sorry, I got my messages crossed. HOwever, if I was right and it was you that started that thread, then you did do the blunt "specific features" promo. Like I said, I second guess myself on that one now and am sorry if I pointed the finger in the wrong direction. One reason that I am leary about the way this has all went down is because I have had to learn alot about business the hard way by getting screwed over and seeing close freinds get screwed over, so to see all of this play out the way it is makes me question the ethics behind WOE. With all of these deceptions and half truths, I see the potential for disaster. I have made some friends in here and don't want to see them get shafted. It goes way beyond me. Best way to make me mad is to screw with my friends and family. Healthy cinisism keeps you focused and doesn't allow deceptive people with alterior motives to manipulate you into giving up something.

From: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#50]
13 Jan 2007
To: ALL

Oh my god, I have a 6 year old and a 4 old...BOTH of whom are better at resolving conflict and differences of opinion that some of the so called adults in this thread.... (devil)

Time for everyone to check their egos at the door and get back to the business of helping people...Remember that folks?!?! That's why we are all here....TO HELP ONE ANOTHER!!! :O)

Threads like this cultivate feelings of negativity and hostility..neither of which helps us achieve our goals of being a positive resource for the engraving community...a goal we BOTH share!!!

Get over yourselves and move on....... ;-)

From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#51]
14 Jan 2007
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#49] 14 Jan 2007

You're right about the chat room....but it was longer ago than a few weeks....I believe that it over a month if not longer. I learned from that experience, and decided that I wouldn't discuss specific differences about there over here, as it was difficult for some people to swallow.

Even though I saw it differently because the EE didn't support chat rooms at the time. Some called that thread wrong, so I stopped altogether. The only posts that I have made about the woe here (since then) is when there is nitpicking going on. I saw this thread as opportunistic nitpicking, and I felt that it needed to be brought up for discussion.

I would rather just see neither be mentioned in a negative light on the other at this point since I belong to, and like both.

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#52]
14 Jan 2007
To: ALL

I'll leave the decision of what to do with this thread up to Harvey.

I've always been against deleting messages/threads.

Some see this type of thread as a huge disruption to the forum, although from the many posts I've read, upon entering the site this morning, it's one of many and probably the least interesting.

In fact, I made a point to read this one last.

Reports of personal attacks on myself from other forums, readily roll off my back. After seven years of participating in online forums, I feel I'm battle-tested.

In the words of my friend, John Fish, "People will be people." :-)

EDITED: 14 Jan 2007 by DGL

From: sprinter [#53]
14 Jan 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#52] 14 Jan 2007

I have to agree with you. But I do find some of the posts humorous and totally ridiculous, but your right about people being people.

As far as personal attacks, I try to take a more civilized approach on WOE and will not tolerate that type of childish behavior. So rest assured you are not being attacked on WOE, actually the last mention about EE was when Harvey was giving updates on when you would be back up.

I have to admit, when WOE was started it was a clone of EE, but it has evolved into a more structured business oriented forum that our members seem to prefer. So I can understand why some of the EE members don't like it and prefer the wild west format.

But at the end of the day both forums have a need and a goal to help the members.

EDITED: 14 Jan 2007 by SPRINTER

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#54]
14 Jan 2007
To: sprinter [#53] 14 Jan 2007

quote:

The "wild west format", not that it was ever a format, has greatly diminished.

As to a person's preference, that's why there are 31 flavors. :-)

From: Peter [#55]
14 Jan 2007
To: ALL

errr....Build a bridge...

And get over it !

:@

From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#56]
14 Jan 2007
To: Peter [#55] Unread

Did you notice the folder I put the thread into? It was a slightly better solution than deleting it, I think.

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