Full Version: Is this true?
From: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#44]
3 Apr 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#41] 4 Apr 2007
According to Webster:
initiative
Function: noun
1 : an introductory step
2 : energy or aptitude displayed in initiation of action
3 a : the right to initiate legislative action b : a procedure enabling a specified number of voters by petition to propose a law and secure its submission to the electorate or to the legislature for approval
And therein lies the problem. Gore provided neither an introductory step nor momentum. For that you can thank DARPA and a long list of contributors that do not have the surname Gore. Broad Community and commercialization of the Internet as a result of Gore-led legislation? Nonsense....and frankly nothing more than political revisionism that was appropriately lampooned. But here's a derivative found in his opening line:
Random House Unabridged
cre·ate /kriˈeɪt/ [kree-eyt] verb, -at·ed, -at·ing, adjective
–verb (used with object)
1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.
2. to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.
I don't think so.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#45]
3 Apr 2007
To: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#44] 3 Apr 2007
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#46]
3 Apr 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#41] 4 Apr 2007
Sure seems like he wants credit for it in the quote.........Its like name dropping....to make yourself sound/feel important, when in reality there is little real connection.
I'll admit I personally think Gore is a buffoon....so it will be no surprise that I would take the position I have...But if you look at his quote, he clearly assumes responsibility in his view to have taking an active role in creating the internet. Taking initiative means taking action. Voting on research on a project doesn't make you the creator in any sense of the word. Ask the scientists if the polititians are creating anything when working on stem cell research...All they do is allow the creating to take place. That's a far cry from taking responsibility for a cure from cancer if they ever find it via that research (although only a polititian would use something so wonderful for their own personal gain).
The funny thing is that the internet has almost become it's own living organism. It has grown in spite of everything and everyone involved.
From: BratDawg [#47]
3 Apr 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#46] 3 Apr 2007
Even Earthlink! (devil)
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#48]
3 Apr 2007
To: BratDawg [#47] 4 Apr 2007
Yep...and AOL (who I would place in the same category you place earthlink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaaAYVUWP0I
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#49]
3 Apr 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#48] 3 Apr 2007
I remember that news story.
If it had been a live situation, I would have been looking for the hidden camera!
Have you seen the show "Boiling Point"? It's like a Candid Camera epsiode where people who are in on the gag try to exasperate an unwitting contestant through scenarios such as the You Tube clip.
If the person lasts a certain number of minutes (10?) without their head exploding, they win money. Even though I had seen the AOL segment before, I was personally getting irritated about 2.5 minutes into the exchange.
EDITED: 3 Apr 2007 by DGL
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#50]
3 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#49] 4 Apr 2007
Yes I have seen that show...
The AOL clip is a classic now......I guess they have made lots of changes to fix that particular problem....but it's a glimpse of how some companies take it too far, particularly when they get too big for their britches. I feel the same way about the cable company...Our local area has pretty much had them as the monopoly....There is new legislation to change that...and I am in total support of more competition. :) In fact I just changed from cable to U-verse (an AT&T product for internet and hundreds of channels of digital TV.) I switched yesterday, and I'm already getting superior services for my money. :)
EDITED: 3 Apr 2007 by RALLYGUY1
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#51]
4 Apr 2007
To: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#44] 5 Apr 2007
I started designing high speed electronic circuits in the early 70s. In 1976 I started writing computer programs for DEC PDP-11 computers. In the early 80s I was designing computers. Not buying a motherboard and picking a graphics card. I was designing CPUs out of discrete logic chips. In 1982 I was building high speed computers at the high energy physics lab at the Cornell Synchrotron, and used Ethernet to network a half dozen of the computers I had built. At the same time I was using ARPANET and several other networks that nobody has ever heard of to comunicate with CERN labs in Switzerland. (another high energy particle lab) We sent emails and files across those networks every day (when they worked), sharing the designs and software for the computers I was building, which they were also building copies of.
Through much of the 80s I was using USENET, a loose network of schools and individuals. What are now known as "newsgroups". In the mid to late 80s I was a regular user of BIX and several other bulletin board systems. I started using Compuserve in the mid 80s, eventually becoming a moderator on a number of their forums, including the graphics forum where the GIF image format was created.
My first browser was Mosaic, a year before Netscape existed, and 2 years before Internet Explorer. But that was already two years after Gore's legislation linked ARPANET and several other networks and opened them up to the public. (and funded development of Mosaic)
I tell you all this, not to beat my own chest, but to make it clear I am not reading about all of this in history web pages. I was there. I had nothing to do with creating the internet, but I was along for the ride from a fairly early point, and saw it evolve.
But I'm going to give up trying to get you to believe the truth. You have already decided that your hate for Gore is more important that the truth. So I'll leave it at that. I don't particularly like Gore as a person, but I am not going to deny the work he did.
EDITED: 4 Apr 2007 by DAVERJ
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#52]
4 Apr 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#51] 4 Apr 2007
From: GBengraver [#53]
4 Apr 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#51] 5 Apr 2007
From: Cody (BOBTNAILER) [#54]
4 Apr 2007
To: GBengraver [#53] 5 Apr 2007
Indeed! I'm the first to admit that my opinion of his character makes me see his actions and words in a skewed fashion....like looking through a prism. There are many things that I can be very objective on, even when I have a strong opinion on the subject. Is Algore one of them? Probably not. Just have to be honest about that.
Brian and I don't seem to agree politically, but I'm in lock-step with him here. I think we need to spread the word that Dave created the Internet. From what he's said, he really is part of the REAL group that got our networking & Internet structures where they are today.
I don't know what any of that stuff was that Dave was talking about, but it sure sounded impressive!
EDITED: 4 Apr 2007 by BOBTNAILER
From: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#55]
5 Apr 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#51] 5 Apr 2007
In the book there's almost a full chapter about a rather handsome guy by the name of James Docherty (...I'm guessing his wife thinks so.) In his not-so-spare time, he ran a very large new media company, the division of an even larger media conglomerate. There's a few interesting citations about his role as a pioneer in web-based content that began with the launch of CompuServe, an ongoing and very public feud with John Kennedy Jr., and (if I recall correctly) even his primary role in standardizing the commercialization of the Web including advertising and early commerce. In fact, this guy and his company was arguably the single largest source of commercial content on the Internet.
They tapped him from the magazine publishing business because he was already a pretty old hand....having started with simple programming on an IBM 1410 in 1971 and like you, on USENET in the 80's. Not surprisingly, James was on the front page of the Wall Street Journal in the 90's not once, but twice because of his (at the time) revolutionary profitability. Can you imagine, people actually paid this guy to fly around the World, speaking to groups and corporations about making money on this newfangled Internet thing?!?
He eventually went back to the magazine business, his first love, before retiring.
Yeah, I was there too....but I don't recall seeing you. And for what it's worth, I don't hate Al Gore or anyone else for that matter. But I can read.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#56]
5 Apr 2007
To: ALL
Is this true?
Webster Tarpley wrote this on a widely circulated article out of Russia Mar. 26
The long awaited US military attack on Iran is now on track for the first week of April, specifically for 4 AM on April 6, the Good Friday opening of Easter weekend, writes the well-known Russian journalist Andrei Uglanov in the Moscow weekly "Argumenty Nedeli." Uglanov cites Russian military experts close to the Russian General Staff for his account.
The attack is slated to last for twelve hours, according to Uglanov, lasting from 4 AM until 4 PM local time. Friday is a holiday in Iran. In the course of the attack, code named Operation Bite, about 20 targets are marked for bombing; the list includes uranium enrichment facilities, research centers, and laboratories.
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If so, depending on whose local time the article refers to, we'll know within a few hours.
EDITED: 5 Apr 2007 by DGL
From: UncleSteve [#57]
5 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#56] 5 Apr 2007
Keep in mind two things.....
First, that was written while Iran still held the British sailors....
Second, If the Russians were that smart, they would have won the cold war....
We should know by daybreak if he is right. Is that April 6th Iran time or US time?
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#58]
5 Apr 2007
To: UncleSteve [#57] 5 Apr 2007
I'm hoping the report is entirely wrong.
Quite literally, time will tell.
From: UncleSteve [#59]
5 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#58] 5 Apr 2007
Nostradamus this guy ain't!!! :/
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#60]
5 Apr 2007
To: UncleSteve [#59] 5 Apr 2007
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#61]
6 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#60] 6 Apr 2007
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#62]
6 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#56] 6 Apr 2007
From: UncleSteve [#63]
6 Apr 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#62] 6 Apr 2007
He was wrong back then, also!! :/
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