Full Version: Plaque
From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#5]
28 Jun 2004
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#3] 28 Jun 2004
David,
To add to Harvey's message. Make sure when you buy the Velcro you buy the large box that says industrial strength. You can usually find it at Home Depot, however, I was in Sam's Club the other day and saw it there for less than Home Depot.
Dee
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#6]
28 Jun 2004
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#5] 28 Jun 2004
Dee,
I thought I had seen Velcro at Sam's Club, but wasn't sure if it was industrial strength or not.
Thank you for the info.
From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#7]
28 Jun 2004
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#6] 28 Jun 2004
David,
The box is red and blue with the words "Industrial Strength" in large letters. The Velcro is 2" wide and 15ft long
Dee.
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#8]
28 Jun 2004
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#7] 28 Jun 2004
Dee,
That sounds like a winner (if I choose the right wall material). It sounds like a shopping trip to Sam's and my local carpet store are in the plans.
Thanks!
From: JHayes55 [#9]
29 Jun 2004
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#3] 29 Jun 2004
David
Dee & Harvey are on track with the where to get & what kind of Velcro etc.
I have never had an issue with the adhesive on the back of the Velcro. We get the Industrial Strength stuff from Sam’s.
What I do differ with Harvey on is the amount needed to hold to the carpet.
We use a 2-3" piece on top and bottom - that’s all - fall off has never been a problem.
I would suspect, for what ever reason, this carpet has some really good holding properties. To get a plaque off the wall I usually have to help the customer. If I cover 20% of the back we would never get it off. We do not have much vibration even though we have a 4 lane state road just off our parking lot. Take your Velcro
carpet shopping with you. Test, Test, Test.
Good Luck - keep us up with you progress
EDITED: 29 Jun 2004 by JHAYES55
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#10]
29 Jun 2004
To: JHayes55 [#9] 29 Jun 2004
Joe,
I figured that the trick was finding the right kind of carpet to receive the Velcro. Do you recall the brand and style of carpet you have found to be so "grasping"?
From: JHayes55 [#11]
29 Jun 2004
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#10] 29 Jun 2004
Sorry no
It was a close out roll from a local carpet store.
It's sort of blue :) I think. or maybe gray - I'll look today!
Joe
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#12]
29 Jun 2004
To: JHayes55 [#9] 30 Jun 2004
Jay, I think my problem may be that the carpet that I used is not grabby enough. It feels like a super grab with Velcro alone, on a plaque not as good. I have only had problems with 10x12 plaques and larger. With 4 x 2 pieces top and bottom, plop. This is mainly because the customers tend to lift the bottom displacing the Velcro there and then it is only hanging by the top.
As far as vibration, the mall is built with a Level 2 earthquake rating, it has lots of give. Even on the lower level, after everyone is out, the hanging keychains sway. It is quite freaky to be there at midnight and 25 feet away from a mirrored keychain and see the reflections rock and rolling.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#13]
1 Jul 2004
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#3] 1 Jul 2004
"I will have to re-visit Roy's article. I save all of my back issues for just such occasions."
In which magazine is this article? I save all of mine also and will read anything Roy wrote. If you know the issue it would be very welcome also.
From: jbrewer (JEANETTEBREWER) [#14]
1 Jul 2004
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#13] 1 Jul 2004
It was Engravers Journal. I *think* it was mid-summer 2003 (I know it was after Vegas '03 & before Vegas '04)! Dad has all our back-issues in his office at home.
HTH,
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#15]
1 Jul 2004
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#13] 1 Jul 2004
It was the Engraver's Journal, June thru October 2002. It was a series of 5 articles. I read them again and will take to heart much of what Roy had to say in the set-up of our new retail space.
His examples of do's and do not's allow the pictures to speak louder than words.
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#16]
1 Jul 2004
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#13] 1 Jul 2004
Harvey,
If you haven't been to http://engraversjournal.com, they have a database of all of their past articles. This was a great way for me to dig this one out of the archives.
From: Mike (EJPUBLISHER) [#17]
2 Jul 2004
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#16] 2 Jul 2004
Harvey:
Maybe we need to publish an article to help people find technical information. You can go to our on-line index and browse article titles, issue by issue going back to 1975. You can also do a key word search there by typing in a word such as "burnishing" and it will display every article pertaining to that topic.
However don't type in "Velcro". It's a registered trademark. If you are looking for the generic stuff, look for "hook and loop fasteners." A lot of the trophy and engraving suppliers sell it (check the R&I Directory in the December issue or the on-line edition at www.engraversjournal.com).
One last thing. There were a number of mentions in this discussion about Roy Brewer's "classic article series, "Is That All Ya Got?"
Next week we'll have them launched on our web site for your reading pleasure.
Sincerely,
Mike Davis, Publisher
The Engravers Journal
publisher@engraversjournal.com
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#18]
2 Jul 2004
To: Mike (EJPUBLISHER) [#17] 2 Jul 2004
Mike,
Thank you so much. I think your post is so important, I will post a copy of it in the "Tricks and Tips' folder.
From: gt350ed [#19]
11 Jul 2004
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#16] 12 Jul 2004
David: The carpet we use, and installed using carpet glue to plywood, was found at Lowes. It is a medium to dark charcoal gray color very similar to our commercial grade store floor carpet. It is that kind of carpet that, if you look at it closely, seems to have horizintal ribs of about 3/16". When you get about 10 feet away, you don't notice them.
In any event, this particular carpet holds the plaques very, very well using the 2" wide white industrial strength Velcro. You just use the spiky nylon portion with the hard bristles. You can throw the other fuzzy portion away.
We additionally used this carpet on lower free-standing walls with an oak 3/4" x 6" cap. It allows us to just Velcro the back of a variety of flat items and slap them in place, including wooden framed medal displays, ribbons, etc.
We get lots of compliments on our showroom and displays. So, maybe we're doing something halfway right.
And, last, those Roy Brewer articles are worth gold. We printed them out and have included them in a binder that, with other valuable info is becoming our bible/standard procedures manual.
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#20]
12 Jul 2004
To: gt350ed [#19] 12 Jul 2004
Ed,
The ribbed carpet is what I thought I had seen in various trade shows I have been to over the years. The booth manufacturers use that material in their designs.
I will have to stop by Lowes to see what I can come up with.
Thank you so much!
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#21]
12 Jul 2004
To: gt350ed [#19] 12 Jul 2004
Don't automaticaly throw out the loops portion of the Velcro like I used to do. It makes great pads to put under displays to prevent scratching of surfaces.
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