Full Version: J. Stephen Spence joins EJ (unmoderated)

From: UncleSteve [#71]
 5 Apr 2005
To: ALL

Amazing that the "thread you love to hate" has now generated to 3-4 different threads.

Could we PLEASE keep it to one thread? This would make it easier to follow or ignore without being blindsided by a new version.

 

From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#72]
 5 Apr 2005
To: ALL

Looking at this from a newbie outsiders point of view , I think this thread should have been closed. It diminishes the forum , consists of unsubstanted and unproven allegations , is besmirching folks names and has devolved into a personality issue between members and a group type bash and is polarising it.
Despite free speech , it is counterproductive to the forums intent and doesnt enhance it at all.
Perhaps a hidden outside section which doesnt appear on the main forums folders/listings would be a more appropriate place for this type of stuff.
Regards

 

From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#73]
 14 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#65] 14 Mar 2006

Here is an update on what happened to Stephen Spence.....

http://www.wvstatepolice.com/sexoff/WebDetails.cfm?OffenderID=2723


Conviction 51 days served with 5 years probation. He is on a sexual predator list.

Offense: Distribution and exhibiting of material depicting minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct/Served approximately 51 days in a correctional facility and given 5 years probation. Victim age range 0-5 and 6-14 male and female.

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#74]
 14 Mar 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#73] 14 Mar 2006

Brian,

Thanks for the update. Industry news, albeit of the worst kind.

From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#75]
 14 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#74] 14 Mar 2006

Yeah...I agree it's bad news......At least it puts all the speculation to rest. I wasn't sure if it should be in an industry news folder or here in this thread.....It may be worth posting in it's own thread as news....As some may have become disenchanted with this thread after all the back and fourth.

Thanks,

Brian Genrich


Rallye Productions Inc.
1-800-236-2036 x112
Custom cut, or sheet stock Sublimatable metal,
Screen printing, and other digital print services.

EDITED: 14 Mar 2006 by RALLYGUY1

From: bobkat [#76]
 14 Mar 2006
To: ALL

So now the question is, should he be forced out of the engraving community in disgrace, or is it OK that he does articles for EJ or other publications? Is he still to be thought of as an industry leader/teacher? There was a time, not too long ago, when he wouldn't show his face in public after such a conviction. What are your thoughts?

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#77]
 14 Mar 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#75] 14 Mar 2006

Brian,

May as well leave it here, (in this unmoderated thread), as placing it in Industry News, stands good potential for leading to another thread of this kind.

EDITED: 14 Mar 2006 by DGL

From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#78]
 14 Mar 2006
To: bobkat [#76] 14 Mar 2006

Thats a difficult one , If he has technical information to impart , I say grab it. He is named and shamed and has probably lost any personal respect that anyone had for him but that is another matter. He has been convicted and did serve so has deemed to have repaid his debt to society in the laws eyes. I don't think destroying him professionally will help anyone or anything.
I suppose it's up to the individual to apply whatever form of further "justice" or punishment they deem needed.

From: JHayes55 [#79]
 14 Mar 2006
To: bobkat [#76] 14 Mar 2006

He was at Las Vegas. I had wondered then how things turned out. I will still read the EJ because I get good information from it.

Several years ago - 5 - I took a class that Steve taught on laser engraving - I decided then that he was not someone I would take another class from. He was very opinionated about some things then later recanted his statements in articles. He also was somewhat rude to people who asked questions or offered opinions during the class. There are a lot more knowledgable people in the industry that I would prefer to here speak or read an article from.

It may sound jaded but as an employer I would have a difficult time having someone who had been convicted of this type of crime work for me.

Rodney said it well enough.

EDITED: 14 Mar 2006 by JHAYES55

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#80]
 14 Mar 2006
To: bobkat [#76] 14 Mar 2006

Bobkat,

My thoughts on this subject can be found throughout this thread. My opinion hasn't changed, as a result of the outcome of Stephen's case.

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#81]
 14 Mar 2006
To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#78] 14 Mar 2006

Thank you Rodney. Puts my thoughts in a nutshell.

From: UncleSteve [#82]
 14 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#81] 14 Mar 2006

The only upside to this IF there is any, is he was convicted of possessing photos and NOT accused of molestation, participation or taking the photos himself.

Not a pat on the back for him BUT it could have been MUCH worse.

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