Full Version: MagicTouch Paper

From: D-zines (X-TREMEGRAPHICS) [#1]
 4 May 2005
To: ALL

So we were having this discussion in a different thread, and I have taken to looking into a little bit more. So I know that Harvey uses it, is there anyone else out there that uses this paper? Our Dye Sub ink is about out, and frankly if I could get away from dye sub I would. So, I'm curious as to what others think of this stuff? I mean if I can use it on any substrate and not just certain special made ones I'm doing better already. So fill me in all... what do you think?

From: trophyman (MIKEBERGER) [#2]
 4 May 2005
To: D-zines (X-TREMEGRAPHICS) [#1] 4 May 2005

Just used it to print a small order of award ribbons. It worked great for this as I was able to print the ribbons 5 to a sheet 2 x 8 inch with FULL color logo for attaching to the customers convention ID badges. Lot cheaper and faster than making mag dies and setting up a hotstamping run for 5 to 20 of each design. Printed them on white ribbon @ 10 sec. 350 F. hot peel.

For small quanity orders it works quite well and is reasonable in the pricing range. 100 sheet package $55 plus shipping so about 63 cents per sheet for me. We do a lot of photo mousepads using it.

You have to cover the ENTIRE object that you are printing though.

Mike Berger

From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#3]
 4 May 2005
To: trophyman (MIKEBERGER) [#2] 6 May 2005

Were do you get the magic touch paper? and how do you apply it? To any surface?

Thanks Cindy

From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#4]
 5 May 2005
To: trophyman (MIKEBERGER) [#2] 6 May 2005

What type of heat press do you have? What is the average price and where would you get one.

Thanks Cindy

From: D-zines (X-TREMEGRAPHICS) [#5]
 6 May 2005
To: cindy (ROBERTM) [#4] 6 May 2005

I have a heat press from my sublimation stuff. And actually if you look through any of the sublimation catalogs or sites of people that sell sublimation you should find one. I wouldn't recommend getting into the sublimation though. I've done it for a few years now and I can say it's nothing short of a pain in the darier usually!
I don't know the prices of the heat presses off the top of my head, but shop around I'm sure you can find a good deal. And once you get a grip on what you are looking for you could always check e-bay.

From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#6]
 6 May 2005
To: D-zines (X-TREMEGRAPHICS) [#5] 6 May 2005

Thanks for the information. I'm basicly looking to get full color for name badges and thought this magic paper could offer that for me.
I will start looking for a heat press. I have already called the dealer in my area for the magic paper and waiting for him to call me back.

Thanks Agian
Cindy

From: D-zines (X-TREMEGRAPHICS) [#7]
 6 May 2005
To: cindy (ROBERTM) [#6] 7 May 2005

Your dealer might actually be the same as mine. I looked at your profile and saw you were in mississippi. I had to call best transfers, I asked for samples and they are sending me that too. Great company to work with. The kid I talked to was SUPER helpful. I'll definately be calling them for as much as possible. I actually bet they might sell the heat presses too. Glad to help anywhere I can.

From: trophyman (MIKEBERGER) [#8]
 6 May 2005
To: cindy (ROBERTM) [#4] 7 May 2005

Cindy,
I get the transfer paper from the Dynacomp Div of Grady Corp. in Crystal Lake, Il. They used to be the IPI distributor here prior to Johnson Plastics moving into Illinois. They now are the Vision Rep.

I have a Hix 400 clamshell heat press Hix 250 Hat press and a Mug press that I use.
I print the ribbons 5 up on 8.5 x 11 in Corel 5 by designing a 2 x 8 inch template and using the clone function. Use white ribbon cutting them to length and tape them to the transfer then press them for 10 sec. @350F.

We have a Konica-Minolta 2300DL color laser printer and print the transfer images using that. So far I have only used the Magic Touch to print Mousepads and Ribbons. They do have other transfer paper for use on ceramics and metal.

The heat presses are available from any of the Sublimation suppliers or T-shirt transfer printers and suppliers $395 -up (i.e. BOZZ, AirWaves) or ebay.

Mike Berger

From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#9]
 7 May 2005
To: trophyman (MIKEBERGER) [#8] 8 May 2005

I'm just wanting to get started in adding color to name badges and this looks like my best bet.

I called and talked to the guy in Atlanta and to be able to make color name badges I will have to invest in a good laser printer but would not need a heat press at this time for just name badges. I wonder if the magic paper will stick good to the laser engravable plastic or would I have to dome the name tag. Would just the magic paper hold up without doming?

If this process works as well as I'm hoping it will I can always add a heat press and expand as I need to.

I did buy a epson C86 printer this week but was told by the distribtor in Atlanta for Magic Paper that this printer would not work..So have been able to sell it to my husbands company with no loss of money.....(God does seem to look out for those that don't know what there doing)

Thanks For the information.
Cindy

From: bobkat [#10]
 7 May 2005
To: cindy (ROBERTM) [#9] 7 May 2005

The magic touch paper is a heat transfer process; if someone told you that you wouldn't need a heat press for name badges, they were wrong. Transfers onto name badge plastic hold up very well with no additional coverings. The image is what transfers, the paper you throw away. Doming is a completely different process that is unnecessary with the heat transfer process. You obviously need to do more research on this topic before you jump in.

Call these people, they know what they are talking about, and can sell you the right equipment and supplies.

The Magic Touch LLC
Phone 847-201-8590
Fax 847-201-8591

From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#11]
 7 May 2005
To: bobkat [#10] 7 May 2005

Thanks, I will call your contact. The guy I talked to Don Mayhew said there was two types of paper some type of stickers that you could use on metals and plastic that did not require a heat press and other type of magic paper that you could use for mouse pads, coffee mugs and so forth that did require a heat press.

I will do more investagating.

Thanks
Cindy

From: trophyman (MIKEBERGER) [#12]
 8 May 2005
To: cindy (ROBERTM) [#9] 8 May 2005

Who ever told you that you won't need a heat press is WRONG!!! You can't transfer the image without one. Magic touch is a heat transfer paper. It works by transferring the OEM toner used by the Minolta and Panasonic color lasers is a polyester toner which is transferred to the substrate along with the coating on the surface of the transfer paper. It also will not work with inkjets. The only other way to do color name badges with out a heat press would require one of the plastic badge printers at $1000 + (i.e. Magiccard, Fargo, Eldron) similar to what they use to print a drivers license.
The color printing ribbon for these is also $130 & up . Then you need to plastic badges, digital camera, software @$900. Not a cheap alternative unless you have the volume. And expect to waiste about 45 % of the first set of supplies while you learn how to use the software and get everything adjusted.
Our setup cost us over $1800

fargo printer $500 used
power supply 65
print ribbon 149 (250 prints)
cards 35 (100 cards)
digital camera $150
cables 50
software 899

Mike Berger

From: logojohn [#13]
 5 Jan 2006
To: ALL

Whats the latest on the Magic Touch laser transfer paper.

Is anyone having luck using it?

Is the only place to get it by calling them?
They don't have any online ordering.
http://themagictouchusa.com/cpm.htm
Do other places sell it?

What was the other brand of paper and contact info?

The asi Dept. has a new lanier LP12cn testing on approval.
The sales rep and their tech support can't tell me if it is the
new polymer toner there is a special paper for or even whether
the Magic Touch Paper will work in it.

We need to test it out before deciding on keeping this. They have a relationship with Lanier so would like to use that brand as opposed to using the brands listed.


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EDITED: 5 Jan 2006 by LOGOJOHN

From: Funkmeister (FUNKY) [#14]
 5 Jan 2006
To: D-zines (X-TREMEGRAPHICS) [#1] 5 Jan 2006

I use the Magic touch paper for alot of things in my shop. I think it works just fine. Have used it on alot of different items. Just letting you know

From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15]
 5 Jan 2006
To: logojohn [#13] 5 Jan 2006

John,

The question to ask of Lanier is if the printer uses electrostatic (magnetic) toner, which relies on a heat fuser to attach toner to the paper of if the printer uses an oil fuser, which is the type used in conjunction with OEM polymer-coated toner.

The latter is necessary, if you plan to use Magic Touch paper or similar brands such as M3, HG etc.

Forum member, "Mick" is a distributor of the type of paper you're referring to.

Harvey also knows of another source.

From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#16]
 5 Jan 2006
To: logojohn [#13] 5 Jan 2006

The list of suppliers known to me is included at the end of the PDF in thread/post 2366.1

From: logojohn [#17]
 6 Jan 2006
To: ALL

Thanks for the list and the settings that will be very helpful.

I am a little confused about the purpose of the teflon mat that is recommended.

One photo shows it on the pad you put the items on and they even sell fitted ones.
Do you then put the item on it and the transfer paper which would be next to the heated surface.

Does it just disperse heat from bottom of the item or what is the purpose? I wouldnt think it would do much good unless it was between the heated surface and the item being imprinted.


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From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#18]
 6 Jan 2006
To: logojohn [#17] 6 Jan 2006

The paper will stick to some surfaces badly, like paper and felt. The Teflon sheet does two things. It prevents sticking and traps any extra toner making it easy to remove.

Lacquer thinner is an instant solvent for laser toner and does not affect the Teflon sheet.

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