Full Version: Geo. Knight DK20S - Watch Your Fingers
From: UncleSteve [#105]
16 Mar 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#104] 16 Mar 2006
Then why were there so many accidents when "dumb" people got their heels caught in the steering wheel when high beam switch was moved from the floor to the steering column?
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#106]
16 Mar 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#104] 16 Mar 2006
Hi Harvey,
The way I see it is the car companies got "nicer" (not smarter) to the "dumb" people. :)
I doubt anyone decided to engage in a personal crusade based on getting their foot pinched under a pedal when they stepped on it.........Even "dumb" people know when they do something "dumb".
From: basehorawards [#107]
16 Mar 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#103] 16 Mar 2006
I have a framing hammer that has "WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES" forged into the head. I don't know if you could sue the mfr. for smashing your finger (If you can I will soon be a rich man) but I would guess that they have been sued for people getting nails in their eyes when they hit them wrong and the nail flew up rather than going down into the wood.
From: logojohn [#108]
16 Mar 2006
To: ALL
I am sure you can find more:
http://www.rinkworks.com/said/warnings.shtml
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From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#109]
16 Mar 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#106] 16 Mar 2006
Not touching that one with a 100' pole.
EDITED: 16 Mar 2006 by HARVEY-ONLY
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#110]
16 Mar 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#109] 16 Mar 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#111]
16 Mar 2006
To: ALL
What I find utterly amazing about this thread, is the strenuous arguments being waged, by people with virtually no personal experience, knowledge or contact with the machine in question.
Instead, it's a general commentary, in sweeping terms, concerning frivilous lawsuits and end-user responsibility and accountability.
Considering my first paragraph, I realize it's impossible, for most, to address the heat press with specifics.
Whatever happened to manufacturer accountability?
By that, I mean, the all-too-familiar trend in most any industry, of a company providing unabashed lip service, in order to brush away the complaintant, as if the problem's been dealt with in any way whatsoever.
It's become such standard procedure, that lying's become accepted.
Doesn't fly with me. Never did; never will.
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The recently-launched poll, could have several sub-categories, such as:
1. How many people, who voted in the poll, own a heat press of any kind?
2. How many people, who voted in the poll, specifically own a DK20S?
3. How many people, who voted in the poll, did so, based solely on an emotionally-charged opinion, in either direction?
Answers to those questions would be very telling.
EDITED: 16 Mar 2006 by DGL
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#112]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#111] 16 Mar 2006
So put up an additional poll.
The added info could prove interesting.
You have not yet used up your poll quota, and I will extend it if necessary. :O
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#113]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#111] 16 Mar 2006
To me this this comes down to one question. Did you operate the press correctly? The answer based on your description of what happened is no. The press is designed for two handed operation. You have stated that Aron Knight has told this to you. Had you operated the press with two hands where the handles are, there would have been no injury, and no cause for any action or this thread.
Now to me that doesn't take a whole lot more knowledge to form an opinion over......I also looked at the design of the press in at least 4 pictures that have been provided, as well as listened to you Dave, and Chuck B. discuss the operation of the press in detail. I honestly feel that I can't possibly be missing anything, and I find it ironic that you would think that anyone that opposes your opinion couldn't be well enough informed at this point in the thread with all the details that have been bantered about.
You have yet to admit that you made a mistake when you clearly actuated the press with one hand. I think that in not admitting this that you are more guilty of misrepresenting what happened to your finger than Knight is of "lip service". They shouldn't have to modify their press over your injury, and had you not been in the position of running a forum that can have a profound effect on their reputation,.......They might have even told you so. Your use of this position to manipulate them to change their press because of your mistake is wrong. It's pretty much blackmail, either they change or you keep beating the drum for change based on your self inflicted accident....This type of manipulative behavior was displayed when you described your phone conversation with Aron Knight.
To me all the details that are necessary, are covered in the fact that you operated the press with one hand when it required two, and then tried to blame them for a bad design.
Personally, I doubt any more needs to be said. But I bet you can find something new to continue on about.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#114]
16 Mar 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#113] 16 Mar 2006
That is apparent.
[Sorry, I am in a cruel mood. (devil) I just could not resist, you left too wide an opening on that one.]
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#115]
16 Mar 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#114] 17 Mar 2006
No problem Harvey....It's been one of those threads.
I am pretty weary of it all at this point.
I think I will let the pole speak for me. No matter what the results...I will still feel the same way. I will just understand weather I am in the minority or not. Perhaps that will be enough for me to back out of stuff like this in the future long before it becomes a book of a subject.
Thanks for all of your thoughtful posts. I really do appreciate your input. Even when we dissagree, we seem to not have to be dissagreeable.
Over and out on this subject.
HONEST!
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#116]
16 Mar 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#113] 16 Mar 2006
This comes down to more than one question.
Granted, who am I to contradict the words of Aaron Knight? Yes, according to his description of proper operating procedure, I used the machine improperly.
There you have it. A confession before the world.
Now, I hope we can move past that minor point, (which you seem unwilling to do), and focus on the current fact that people operating the machine "properly" continue to bang their fingers into the press housing, while moving the handlebar to a full-open position, "with both hands" on the foam grips.
The DK20S stands alone, as the only swing-away press, where, when a person's hands are placed anywhere along the handlebar, (regardless of right, left or middle sections) that type of incident is remotely possible.
The only press!
The pictures you've seen of the DK20S' handlebar, in promotional materials, have been "posed" in a horizontal position, when in fact, none of the presses I've seen (and I've seen a lot of them) stop in that position.
If they did, the press would be in a class with the others, who pose virtually no risk of hand injury. You would be able to use the DK20S properly or improperly, without ill-effect whatsoever.
There would be no issue at all. None!
I have virtually no idea if Aaron Knight knows that I'm a forum host or not. I've never mentioned that fact to him, therefore, I couldn't have threatened to use my position as forum host, as leverage in any way.
Why should that matter?
I realize you feel you can't be missing anything, but by strictly having pictures to rely on, for your "facts", leaves you woefully short of the tangible evidence necessary to proffer an educated opinion on the matter.
EDITED: 18 Mar 2006 by DGL
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#117]
17 Mar 2006
To: ALL
= UPDATE =
There's nobody more weary of this topic than myself, but I have some good news to report.
Today, I visited Coast Graphic Supply, in Ventura, CA to look at a new (fresh out of the box) DK20S.
To my surprise and delight, the "new build" has been reworked to where the handlebar of the press, (in a full-open position), stands at a completey horizontal position, leaving ample clearance between itself and the upper housing of the heat press.
At this point, there is no way to impact a person's fingers, regardless of where they place their hands across the handlebar.
I commend Aaron Knight for being a man of his word, in taking this issue seriously and implementing the design changes necessary, not only to reduce his company's exposure to personal injury litigation, but in providing a much safer product to the buying public.
EDITED: 17 Mar 2006 by DGL
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#118]
19 Mar 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#101] 19 Mar 2006
Too keep it farther from the accelerator pedal to prevent ones foot from slipping?
Just a guess
From: GBengraver [#119]
17 Jun 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#111] 17 Jun 2006
I think you should add:
4. How many people who own a DK20S ever pinched thier finger? (devil)
I own one and never came close. I have other issues with the press but that is not one of them.
Greg
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#120]
17 Jun 2006
To: GBengraver [#119] 17 Jun 2006
A few, is too many.
Now that Geo. Knight has changed the design of the press, the answer will be the correct one:
Zero.
From: logojohn [#121]
17 Jun 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#120] 17 Jun 2006
Would the DC16 be more flexible? It has several attachments you can add later like mugs, inside plates, caps, etc. The list price is actually less than the DK20.
http://www.heatpress.net/pdf/dc.pdf
We have a small 9x12 hobby which does do a good job on a lot of things but I see the need to upgrade in size down the road. The way things happen around here it could be next year or next week depending on what comes up.
If you order a DK20 now from a dealer, is there any way to be sure you are getting the new model?
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EDITED: 17 Jun 2006 by LOGOJOHN
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#122]
17 Jun 2006
To: logojohn [#121] 20 Jun 2006
John,
That's a good question, since some of the (new) older presses may still be in circulation.
If it's one of the "new build", the handle, in full open position, will be parallel to the bed of the press.
Older builds were random. Some had sufficient space between the handle and housing and some had little to none.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#123]
17 Jun 2006
To: logojohn [#121] 20 Jun 2006
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