Full Version: Recession Ahead?
From: bobkat [#71]
24 Aug 2005
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#70] 25 Aug 2005
From: UncleSteve [#72]
25 Aug 2005
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#70] 25 Aug 2005
No one is prescreened before the INITIAL meeting..... what makes anyone entitled to a second meeting?
Losing one's son or daughter is a tragedy but when you also lose your friends, husband and the rest of the family because of your actions, maybe, just maybe, what is going on isn't Hebrew National but rather Oscar Mayer..................
Supporting and working for someone that has been convicted of aiding the enemy, has a record of anti war activity going way back before 9/11 and being put forward by the most radical (short of the terrorists themselves) people and organizations in the US just won't get any sympathy from me beyond the original loss....
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#73]
25 Aug 2005
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#70] 25 Aug 2005
From: basehorawards [#74]
25 Aug 2005
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#70] 25 Aug 2005
Dee,
On the WMDs - every intelligence agency in the world said that they were there or at least unaccounted for. Even President Clinton says he thought that they were there. Even Senators Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton thought that they were there. Even the UN thought that they were there. He had used gas on the Kurds. If someone buried a fleet of trucks in California and then killed everyone involved in the hiding (not out of the realm of possibility for a man with rape rooms and human meat grinders) do you think we could find it right away? I suspect that as with a lot of things we will not know anything close to the whole truth for many years. Remember WWll and how well it was run?
I would really like a leader who stays out of my doctors office as well. The problem we have is that there have been so many leaders before this one who were so willing to give one person rights at the expense of another that there is such a big mess now that someone has to clean it up. You can not blame the mess on the janitor. (Don't you suppose he would be thrilled to see me compare him to a janitor?) I also like having a leader who will not allow the destruction of human life because it might someday maybe possibly lead to a cure that we might be able to get to some other way. He has not banned stem cell research. He has banned federal funding of the creation of and subsequent genocide of human life. That has not stopped the work it has just kept the American taxpayer from having to pay for it.
I have been a leader in the local Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts for a number of years. When the subject of religion comes up I always refer the boy to his parents. My stance is practice the religion you have been given at home as you have been taught. There are differences in every home. It is not my place to teach religion to anyone other than my own children.
If a moment of silence or a sanitized prayer will at least slow the torrent of violence, crude and vile behavior and incredible lack of respect for authority that is overwhelming our schools where is the down side? I know that anyone can pray any time but a moment of silence would tell the students that it is ok to have a religion - not what religion to have - and that it is ok to practice that religion. If a child still chooses to practice no religion what harm comes to that child in learning to be Tolerant of the other students deciding TO practice a religion. Religion and morals are the only way to keep this nation great. I do not want a state sponsored religion but I also do not want the state suppressing the expression of religion. There is no right to not be offended in the Costitution.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#75]
25 Aug 2005
To: basehorawards [#74] 25 Aug 2005
Hi James,
Excellent post. Thanks for taking the time to express the thoughts of so many with such clarity....
Brian G.
EDITED: 25 Aug 2005 by RALLYGUY1
From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#76]
25 Aug 2005
To: basehorawards [#74] 25 Aug 2005
I have and will always continue to believe that being president of anything, but most of all a country, is a thankless job. We all want something different from our leaders and when they don't respond to our particular wants we get frustrated. You will never convince me that George W. was the right man for these times however I was not a large Kerry fan either. I have felt for a long time that our system does not encourage the best and the brightest to aspire to be our leaders.
I have no problem with a moment of silence. I do have a problem with our government debating (note recent congressional hearings) the issue of evolution vs. creationism in text books.
I do have a problem with any president who says "God Bless America". I would like a president who doesn't bring God into the political arena, however, if he feels he must I would rather hear "God Bless the World"
Can we not agree to disagree here. I will never convince you to agree with my feelings nor will you ever convince me to agree with yours. There are plenty of facts to back up each of our beliefs. However, if we are honest with ourselves most of our political inclinations are based on feelings and a feeling belongs to the person who owns it and is not usually something we can argue with.
Dee
From: basehorawards [#77]
25 Aug 2005
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#76] 3 Sep 2005
I think that the amount of disagreement we have is actually pretty small.
I agree absolutely that our system of electing civil servants to the Congress and the Presidency have been so misused that it is difficult to get anyone to run. Where are the Washingtons, Jeffersons, Lincolns, Roosovelts of today? The fact is that in todays climate none of them could be elected today. (Washington wants to be King. Jefferson is not a good public speaker and is too introverted. Lincoln doesn't have any education and is a hick from nowhere. FDR is a cripple with ambitions of being president for life. Those are cruel things to say but that is what happens to people who run for office today.) Just wish I had the answer for how to straighten it out.
Regarding evolution vs. creationism I really do not want creationism taught in the classroom either because it is too vague of a concept. How will it be decided which version of creationism should be taught? Each culture (not even just each religion) has their own. I would like to see evolution taught with emphasis on the reality that it is a theory. A theory with a lot of support but a theory nevertheless. At one time it was common to believe that the earth was flat and that the sun went around the plane of the earth. It was really a theory but it fit the evidence available so it was taught as fact. Evolution today is taught as fact and not as theory. I once worked with a young man who was a literal believer in the Bible. When we discussed this topic I asked him what happened between the fingertips of God and the earth? I think evolution. But that is a theory and a belief and must be presented as such.
God Bless America. I guess on this one we are farthest apart. Too little time and the wrong place to discuss theology at the depth this could go.
I hope that your political inclinations are based on thought as well of feelings. I feel very strongly that some things ought to be one way but when I think about it I know that it can not always be that way. Feelings can get very complicated and you are absolutely correct that feelings belong to the person who has them. Making sure you are in control of those feelings rather than the other way around is very important. Too many people base their actions on how they feel at the moment. How many times have you asked yourself about someone "What was he thinking?" when in fact he was not thinking but acting on his feelings.
How about we agree to continue to look at things from different perspectives and agree to keep on sharing our perspectives. That is how we all grow.
From: gt350ed [#78]
25 Aug 2005
To: basehorawards [#75] 25 Aug 2005
James: I want to echo that I am so appreciative that you took the time to so eloquently state what so many of us feel.
The bottom line is, our President isn't perfect. But considering what he inherited AND what has transpired on his watch, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that he is the right man for the job at the right time. And there is NO one on the political horizon, of any party, that comes even close to what I expect from a leader that I am getting from this President.
Have all of his decisions been good ones? Absolutely not. I'm particularly bothered by his apparent stance on the illegal (Mexican) immigration issues facing this country; particularly southern border states, but virtually every state is now starting to feel the effects.
Nevertheless, this issue, as with so many issues, does not come down to just one man; whether he be the President or not. What some of the states are now starting to do on there own (declaring states of emergency), along with citizens themselves (Minutemen, State Border Police initiatives, etc.), is exactly the way things SHOULD work.
I could go on but I won't. It's just refreshing to see that the "majority" is still in the majority and the dependent-on-government liberals are at bay; although worthy of keeping an eye on.
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#79]
25 Aug 2005
To: gt350ed [#78] 25 Aug 2005
You said
He won't close the border because of the Mexican and Cuban backlash that would occur; if he did this in his first term, Kerry would have won since he would have lost FL and possibly Texas.
The bigger problem is that with all his blustering about homeland security and terrorism, the sieve that we call the Mexican border is allowing a hell of a lot more than just Mexicans. We will not have anything close to security until someone has the guts to tighten the borders up.
Just my opinion
Dave
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#80]
25 Aug 2005
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#79] 25 Aug 2005
I have to agree with you both on this topic......It's my biggest issue with the current administration. I agree that the vote was very likely the main reason that he was soft on immigration issues. I am happy to see the states starting to deal with it, but I think there needs to be much more focus on it.
Brian
From: Cindy (CINDYM) [#81]
25 Aug 2005
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#80] 25 Aug 2005
I'll just put my two cents in here and say that as a relatively new citizen of the United States, there is a way to enter the country legally. Yes, it takes time, effort and some money, but if you want something bad enough, you work for it and make it happen.
Here in Oregon we have many illegal aliens and it makes me irritated to see them collecting welfare, food stamps, health care - all on my hard earned tax dollars, while citizens go without. We even had a weekend last month where they gave out those ID cards - well, here in Oregon you can get a drivers license with the ID card, and once they have the Drivers License it is all good from there on the benefit train.
From someone who did it the legal way, this is beyond belief, and I can't understand how this is allowed to continue. Our borders are like sieves.
I have no problem with aliens immigrating, just do it legally.
Cindy M
From: basehorawards [#82]
25 Aug 2005
To: gt350ed [#78] 25 Aug 2005
Ed,
I have to agree with you on the border issue. It is frustrating to see the inaction on this issue. If he does not want to anger the Latino vote why not have members of the administration sit down with the leaders of that community and figure out how to set up a guest worker program that works. Then set it up at border crossings and let them come in and work for periods of time legally. We know who is coming in. They are not dying in the desert and they are legal. Give them the dignity they deserve. Don't make them sneak in like thieves.
Then seal the border tighter than the chinese do theirs. That will keep out the true bad guys (or at least make it harder for them to get in.)
This seems like such a winner for which ever party does it why hasn't it been done?
From: gt350ed [#83]
25 Aug 2005
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#79] 25 Aug 2005
Oh, I know WHY he is taking the position that he is, I just don't like it. In my heart, I believe that what is beginning to happen by state officials and citizen's groups is what the administration wants to happen. Like you say, if he was rigid on immigration (illegal) he might have lost the election. With enough independent public pressure, he'll be able to say to the Vincente Foxs' of the world, "hey, what can I say, the nation is up in arms about this". That's politics. You cannot be a world changer if you run for President and lose. I understand that.
Nevertheless, illegal immigration is a huge problem; particularly in California, Arizona and New Mexico. But they don't stay in those states long. The migrate north and east. It truly IS effecting every state, with the possible exception of Hawaii and Alaska.
And, of course you are absolutely correct that coupled with this open border situation is an even greater collapse of our national security.
I'm convinced that, for many, nothing will really get done until a nuclear bomb is set off on our own soil.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#84]
25 Aug 2005
To: ALL
I mean, c'mon! Where else can you get this kind of entertainment?
Where!? :P
From: UncleSteve [#85]
25 Aug 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#84] 25 Aug 2005
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#86]
25 Aug 2005
To: UncleSteve [#85] 26 Aug 2005
EDITED: 25 Aug 2005 by DGL
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#87]
25 Aug 2005
To: UncleSteve [#85] 26 Aug 2005
Uncle Steve, finally got you! The Senate is part of Congress. I guess you meant the Senate and the House.
From: gt350ed [#88]
25 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#87] 26 Aug 2005
Hey, just cause youse in Philly don't give you da right to know evr frickin thing bout our 4 fathers and how dey got started.
Dey was all abuncha frick'n long hairs....like youse.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#89]
26 Aug 2005
To: gt350ed [#88] 26 Aug 2005
Thank you, proud to be included in that illustrious group.
All: If you have been listening to the news lately, I am not the only one afraid that a recession is on the way. I saw it six months ago, but recently posted. Now some of the experts are starting to see the signs. Make no mistake, we are on the front lines of seeing what is happening in the economy. The normal retail customer, as opposed to the corporate customer, reacts first so we see it first. Spendable income goes down, we see it first.
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#90]
26 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#89] 26 Aug 2005
Harvey,
What is your crystal ball saying about degree and duration?
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