Full Version: Recession Ahead?
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#80]
25 Aug 2005
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#79] 25 Aug 2005
I have to agree with you both on this topic......It's my biggest issue with the current administration. I agree that the vote was very likely the main reason that he was soft on immigration issues. I am happy to see the states starting to deal with it, but I think there needs to be much more focus on it.
Brian
From: Cindy (CINDYM) [#81]
25 Aug 2005
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#80] 25 Aug 2005
I'll just put my two cents in here and say that as a relatively new citizen of the United States, there is a way to enter the country legally. Yes, it takes time, effort and some money, but if you want something bad enough, you work for it and make it happen.
Here in Oregon we have many illegal aliens and it makes me irritated to see them collecting welfare, food stamps, health care - all on my hard earned tax dollars, while citizens go without. We even had a weekend last month where they gave out those ID cards - well, here in Oregon you can get a drivers license with the ID card, and once they have the Drivers License it is all good from there on the benefit train.
From someone who did it the legal way, this is beyond belief, and I can't understand how this is allowed to continue. Our borders are like sieves.
I have no problem with aliens immigrating, just do it legally.
Cindy M
From: basehorawards [#82]
25 Aug 2005
To: gt350ed [#78] 25 Aug 2005
Ed,
I have to agree with you on the border issue. It is frustrating to see the inaction on this issue. If he does not want to anger the Latino vote why not have members of the administration sit down with the leaders of that community and figure out how to set up a guest worker program that works. Then set it up at border crossings and let them come in and work for periods of time legally. We know who is coming in. They are not dying in the desert and they are legal. Give them the dignity they deserve. Don't make them sneak in like thieves.
Then seal the border tighter than the chinese do theirs. That will keep out the true bad guys (or at least make it harder for them to get in.)
This seems like such a winner for which ever party does it why hasn't it been done?
From: gt350ed [#83]
25 Aug 2005
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#79] 25 Aug 2005
Oh, I know WHY he is taking the position that he is, I just don't like it. In my heart, I believe that what is beginning to happen by state officials and citizen's groups is what the administration wants to happen. Like you say, if he was rigid on immigration (illegal) he might have lost the election. With enough independent public pressure, he'll be able to say to the Vincente Foxs' of the world, "hey, what can I say, the nation is up in arms about this". That's politics. You cannot be a world changer if you run for President and lose. I understand that.
Nevertheless, illegal immigration is a huge problem; particularly in California, Arizona and New Mexico. But they don't stay in those states long. The migrate north and east. It truly IS effecting every state, with the possible exception of Hawaii and Alaska.
And, of course you are absolutely correct that coupled with this open border situation is an even greater collapse of our national security.
I'm convinced that, for many, nothing will really get done until a nuclear bomb is set off on our own soil.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#84]
25 Aug 2005
To: ALL
I mean, c'mon! Where else can you get this kind of entertainment?
Where!? :P
From: UncleSteve [#85]
25 Aug 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#84] 25 Aug 2005
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#86]
25 Aug 2005
To: UncleSteve [#85] 26 Aug 2005
EDITED: 25 Aug 2005 by DGL
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#87]
25 Aug 2005
To: UncleSteve [#85] 26 Aug 2005
Uncle Steve, finally got you! The Senate is part of Congress. I guess you meant the Senate and the House.
From: gt350ed [#88]
25 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#87] 26 Aug 2005
Hey, just cause youse in Philly don't give you da right to know evr frickin thing bout our 4 fathers and how dey got started.
Dey was all abuncha frick'n long hairs....like youse.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#89]
26 Aug 2005
To: gt350ed [#88] 26 Aug 2005
Thank you, proud to be included in that illustrious group.
All: If you have been listening to the news lately, I am not the only one afraid that a recession is on the way. I saw it six months ago, but recently posted. Now some of the experts are starting to see the signs. Make no mistake, we are on the front lines of seeing what is happening in the economy. The normal retail customer, as opposed to the corporate customer, reacts first so we see it first. Spendable income goes down, we see it first.
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#90]
26 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#89] 26 Aug 2005
Harvey,
What is your crystal ball saying about degree and duration?
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#91]
26 Aug 2005
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#90] 26 Aug 2005
Personally I think that all has to do with oil prices at the moment. I only get a feel of today and the very near future, (few weeks maybe). It all depends if conditions change and if the government can do anything about the conditions that are the root cause.
Bush did work out an increased oil production deal with Opec, but for 2009. A bit too late for what I see.
The only good that may come out of this is better alternative sources of energy. Wind and water are the best, non polluting and absorbing energy from the environment so when it is used we are back to whee we began. No net gain in energy to the environment. (Solar will do the same.)
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#92]
26 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#91] 26 Aug 2005
I saw something years ago on proposed underwater turbines, powered by the ocean currents. They were supposed to be huge but slow, so no fish would be hurt. And out of sight for no "not in my back yard". And give consistent power due to the nature of the currents. I wonder what happened?
When I was in college I had a summer job one year at GE Nuclear, with the ALMR project. (Advanced Liquid Metal Reactor) It used sodium in the core instead of water for higher efficiencies. The system was designed with safety as the top priority. Its amazing how inherently safe the design was. Another advantage, it could be powered by the "spent" fuel cells from the existing nuclear infrastructure. I suspect it was canned because it could function as a breeder reactor. (It could be set up to make its own fuel, while generating electricity.)
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#93]
26 Aug 2005
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#92] 26 Aug 2005
There are different types of 'breeder reactors'. I remember the info on liquid sodium transfer reactors, but that seemed to disappear fast for some reason.
A liquid sodium leak would be devastating, it would burn furiously on contact with air. Also liquid metals tend to dissolve other metals into it. I always wondered how they overcame that problem, maybe it was only a short term solution, (pun).
I also always wondered why spent fuel was not just mixed with the dirt of the uranium quarries as new uranium was mined. It would return only about the same radioactive amounts that were removed originally giving a basically null effect on the environment.
From: trophyman (MIKEBERGER) [#94]
26 Aug 2005
To: Cindy (CINDYM) [#81] 30 Aug 2005
You are right on with this. My grandparents came here from Germany during WI and also HAD TO LEARN English.
Now we are not only giving them everything BUT ALSO are required to provide them EVERYTHING in their language.
The grocery and fast food industry has become a foreign country to us when we try to communicate there. Just my 2 cents but it upsets me that my ancestors made the effort to do it legal.
A friend just got laid off from a job that he had for nearly 10 years, trying to get ANY assistance was all a TOTAL JOKE and RUN AROUND, but yet the illegals get the RED CARPET rolled out.
Mike
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#95]
26 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#93] 28 Aug 2005
Interesting idea of returning the radioactive waste to its source. I see no reason why they couldn't be worked out, but some issues might be transport, and distribution/disbursement. Its a lot more concentrated then when it was first removed. Then there is a trickier issue, if it was originally in stone and is returned to the dirt, will rain leach/wash it out.
I was in the controls group so I don't know the details of liquid metal. They did have a leak detection system. It used a series of sensitive microphones. A signal processor would look for common signals. (The same "noise" at multiple locations is really a signal too weak to detect at just one. The location can then be determined by looking at the time shift and triangulating.) - The whole project seemed to have more politics then engineering. Though its amazing what the engineers were doing with the little money that trickled down.
Another group was working on a liquid lithium unit for a space reactor. I heard that was canned because of space reactors coming out of Russia; they weren't all that safe or long lasting, but they were cheap enough to be considered disposable.
Like everyone else I don't want a power plant in my back yard. But given the choice I'd choose the liquid sodium system they were working on over one that burns fossil fuels. - Maybe someone will design a man-made photosynthesis process for separating oxygen and hydrogen, to power fuel cells. Or an efficient long lasting solar cell.
From: UncleSteve [#96]
26 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#87] 28 Aug 2005
No, actually I MEANT Congress.... (as a whole body!) since PROgress is to move forward and CONgress.... well, you get the idea....
Uh, BTW, is Dee making KoolAid again? LOL!
EDITED: 26 Aug 2005 by UNCLESTEVE
From: Mick [#97]
26 Aug 2005
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#91] 28 Aug 2005
It would have helped if the oil companies would have been permitted to build more refineries, but no, can't build them because of the enviroment. The oil companies can't even up the supply side by drilling for more oil in and offshore in our own country !!!! When the companies can produce more the price will come down.
Poke holes in ANWAR, the caribou will survive !!
From: UncleSteve [#98]
26 Aug 2005
To: Mick [#97] 27 Aug 2005
Got to do something about the tree huggin', owl kissing, fanatics that don't know or even want to know the facts.
The only person that should complain are the "nimby's", "Not In My Back Yard" and, to the best of my knowledge, Anwar isn't anybody's backyard!
From: Cindy (CINDYM) [#99]
30 Aug 2005
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#92] 30 Aug 2005
Oregon State University is in the process of setting up what you describe a mile off the Oregon coast - and still people complained that it would ruin the view!! If you can see a mile off the coast with all the fog we get it would be a miracle.
I'm excited about this process of harnessing the ocean for power. Every time I visit the coast I think of all the potential in those powerful waves and currents.
Starting next week I will be car pooling to save on gas. We have a little car and a big truck for hauling our stock and supplies for our farm. I prefer to drive the truck (much more comfortable, better stereo system, a/c, power steering, auto everything - none of which our 95 Prism has), but it is time to get smart, not comfortable, about our gas consumption.
I heard that if we all decreased our gas consumption by 15% it would make a difference to the bottom line of the oil companies, who have just cleaned up profit wise during this oil "crisis".
Cindy M
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