Full Version: Question regarding equipment options
From: Linda (LINDAG) [#20]
26 Jan 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#19] 27 Jan 2006
Jim,
I still have not purchased a rotary engraver as yet. I did go and look at some used equipment and spoke with a rep about a new Xenetech GE. The older equipment couldn't really do what I want, that is curved items and glasses etc. The Xenetech GE can do rings, inside and out as well as mugs, glasses, vases etc. Of course I can do the glasses, mugs, vases with the laser and sandblasting equipment. I could lease the equipment for $500 month, which is another option. (sales price is 20k)
After thinking long and hard about it (and I want the equipment really badly), I realized that it is the technicial work I love. I don't really NEED a rotary engraver, just want one. I really need to focus on the business side of my business for now. Marketing, selling and growing the business with what I have already.
I did realize however after re-reading these posts, that I had one question that really didn't get answered. (probably because I didn't really ask it) Can rotary equipment do photographs?
I will purchase a rotary engraver at some point... keep me posted on what you decide to do.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#21]
26 Jan 2006
To: Linda (LINDAG) [#20] 26 Jan 2006
Rotary/drag equipment can't engrave photographs. Just line art, which could be a "likeness" of a person etc.
From: Linda (LINDAG) [#22]
26 Jan 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#21] 26 Jan 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#23]
26 Jan 2006
To: Linda (LINDAG) [#22] 27 Jan 2006
Yes, rotary/drag logos are vector images.
From: PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) [#24]
26 Jan 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#21] 26 Jan 2006
I've seen some fantastic photos diamond engraved on a rotary system.
The key is to use the correct material for the photo. When I was in Ohio (Newing-Hall) two years ago we engraved several photos by first running them through PhotoGrav and then hatch filling in Corel.
Use black brass and the engraving is of course gold fill. The major problem is it takes forever to scribe the lines what make up a gray scale hatch fill. But it can be done!
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#25]
26 Jan 2006
To: PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) [#24] 26 Jan 2006
Sounds kind of like an impact printer approach.
I guess I should have said, "Photos can't "easily" be engraved with a rotary/drag system. :-)
From: PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) [#26]
26 Jan 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#25] 26 Jan 2006
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#27]
27 Jan 2006
To: ALL
Thanks! This forum is definitely the best thing since sliced bread! I think I will stay away from jewelry, and I want the rotary to complement the capability of my laser and rotary fixture and soon to be added sandblasting. I have lost business because I couldn't give them real brass plates. Primarly I am looking at used as the payback will be shorter and if there is enough business to justify more (bigger table, more features, etc.) then it will be an easy business decision.
Jim
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#28]
9 Feb 2006
To: Linda (LINDAG) [#27] 9 Feb 2006
Linda,
Well, with a little help from some members of this forum I was put in contact with the seller of a used New Hermes IS400 Volume with PC, scanner, software, cylinder attachments, etc. We have agreed on a price and all that remains once he gets my check, is for it be boxed up and shipped. This will give me rotary engrave/diamond drag capability for both flat and cylindrical objects, including baseball bat sizes. Adding this to my new CrystalBlast 3624 sandblast cabinet, my new MPX-60 Photo Impact Printer, and the new new rotary fixture for my ULS M-300 25w laser, I think I will be able to offer a fairly wide (LOL) range of services, solutions, and products. It is an agressive, expensive move for me, and not one without risk as my shop isn't even finished yet but one I feel I had to make. This forum has been instrumental in driving me toward my new business plan. The rotary will be pivital in my new direction.
I am coming out with a new Pete Bertrand designed logo, new business cards, and letterhead, and soon a new brochure to kick-off an agressive marketing campaign. In spite of all the new gear, my plan is to find one thing and do it well and then move on. Right now I have not determined my one thing as I do R&D and climb multiple learning curves simultaneously. Yeah, all it is is a lot of big talk right now, the proof will be in the pudding and I have yet to walk the talk as they say. The biggest challenge is time and energy as I still have my day job and all my R&D is done in the evening after an hour commute and dealing with twin 14 year old boys. All I can say is I'll either get there or I won't but the dream stays alive.
Jim
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#29]
9 Feb 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#28] 9 Feb 2006
If it is a used machine it probably comes with Gravostyle98 which I like better than the newer Gravostyle Gift or 5. Be sure you get the dongle, it is useless without it.
I would have liked the Volume unit better than the regular IS400 but did not have the space for that huge swinging table affair that is used.
I am pretty much an expert on Gravostyle98 and the IS400, so feel free to ask questions.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#30]
9 Feb 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#28] 9 Feb 2006
So you're the person who got that machine! :-)
I was licking my chops over it, but was in no position to take advantage of the opportunity.
Very versatile machine. From the descriptions of your other equipment, you're fully loaded for bear.
From: Linda (LINDAG) [#31]
9 Feb 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#28] 9 Feb 2006
Jim,
Sounds like you are all set! Keep us posted on your progress, I'm eager to hear how things work out for you. I feel I am headed in the same direction - still looking for that magic niche!
From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#32]
9 Feb 2006
To: Linda (LINDAG) [#31] 9 Feb 2006
I saw a guy one day set up in a local wal-mart. Not sure what type of equipment he had (it was not a laser) but some type of engraver. He was selling and engraving dog tags, car plate frames, and such.
People were lined up and would pick out different things and he would put their name or whatever on it. I talked to him for just a little bit and he was from TX and had a deal worked out with wal-mart and traveled around to the different stores.
From: Linda (LINDAG) [#33]
9 Feb 2006
To: cindy (ROBERTM) [#32] 9 Feb 2006
Cindy,
I saw a machine like you are describing at the Columbus show as well as in the mall. I don't recall the name (Met or z or something) and cost around $2k. The problem is they are very limited in what they do. Anyway the machine looks pretty easy to use.
I wonder if they can do metals as well...
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#34]
9 Feb 2006
To: Linda (LINDAG) [#33] 9 Feb 2006
If you mean Metaza, it is a small machine capable of doing small items.
A 1x2 dog tag, using the settings that give the best result takes about 35 minutes. You can halve that but get a much poorer image. Even with the resolution of 203 dots per inch that is over 82,000 impacts. That takes time.
I own and use one. As a special item machine it works in a mall, but has very limited engraving capacity and capability.
From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#35]
9 Feb 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#34] 9 Feb 2006
I did not take him long at all to engrave anything he had. I watched him. The customer picked out what they wanted told him what they wanted engraved and he put it on the table, put the info into a little (looked like computor screen) and hit go and it engraved in just a very few min.
Anyway this was a couple of years ago, but he had them lined up.
From: Linda (LINDAG) [#36]
9 Feb 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#34] 9 Feb 2006
Harvey,
That is the machine I was thinking of. Sounds like Cindy might have seen a Wizard -
Cindy, was it able to do photos?
From: cindy (ROBERTM) [#37]
9 Feb 2006
To: Linda (LINDAG) [#36] 9 Feb 2006
He was not doing photo's just engraving names and such. You know at the time I got one of his cards I will have to dig around and see if I still have it.
I do remember he said you had to buy a franchise into some company to get the equipment, but I think he was just trying to get rid of me cause I started asking alot of questions.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#38]
9 Feb 2006
To: cindy (ROBERTM) [#37] 9 Feb 2006
If it was a sort of a grey molded box with the monitor built in on the left, it was an original Wizard or a Wizard XL. If it had a flat panel monitor sticking up centered behind the engraving, it was a Wizard PC.
I have both somewhere in storage. Great machines, Used them for over ten years and barely no problems.
From: UncleSteve [#39]
9 Feb 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#38] 9 Feb 2006
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