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From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#41]
17 Feb 2006
To: JHayes55 [#40] 17 Feb 2006
To mention Justin Fischer, of Beaver Dam Trophy, in Beaver Dam, Michigan, by name, is just plain wrong; but I'm happy you beat me to it. (devil)
During our failed attempt to receive payment, for a (rush) job I did for Justin, my wife called the Beaver Dam Chamber of Commerce, to file a complaint and was told she wasn't the first.
In fact, Justin has the distinction of being the first business in town, in line to have his application for renewal refused.
I would hope the ARA would exhibit the same fortitude, in refusing his membership, should he try to renew.
There's no gray area, or "he said, she said" in this instance.
His list of victims is long and verifiable.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#42]
17 Feb 2006
To: Mick [#39] 17 Feb 2006
Hey, I took a trip for you on that run ;) I guess I was the insurance clause.
Brian G.
From: JHayes55 [#43]
17 Feb 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#41] 17 Feb 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#44]
17 Feb 2006
To: JHayes55 [#43] 17 Feb 2006
In my case, I should have seen him coming. I just thought (mistakenly) that he had rehabilitated himself.
He was convincing in his promise to pay me.
EDITED: 17 Feb 2006 by DGL
From: JHayes55 [#45]
17 Feb 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#44] 17 Feb 2006
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#46]
17 Feb 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#41] 17 Feb 2006
David,
I went to the Beaver Dam Chamber website and it appears the renewal refusal is still in full force. There was no sign of BDTA.
Interestingly, I called and left a message for Justin last week. He never returned my call. It must be getting lonely in Beaver Dam Country.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#47]
17 Feb 2006
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#46] 17 Feb 2006
My wife also called the local competition. The person on the phone said there isn't much activity at Justin's location.
Justin's probably the best thing that's ever happened for their business.
From: JHayes55 [#48]
17 Feb 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#47] 17 Feb 2006
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#49]
17 Feb 2006
To: JHayes55 [#48] 18 Feb 2006
EDITED: 17 Feb 2006 by DATAKES
From: UncleSteve [#50]
17 Feb 2006
To: JHayes55 [#48] 18 Feb 2006
From: gt350ed [#51]
17 Feb 2006
To: UncleSteve [#50] 18 Feb 2006
From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#52]
17 Feb 2006
To: ALL
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#53]
17 Feb 2006
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#52] 18 Feb 2006
Franklin,
It's easy to stay off that list. Just be an ethical businessperson.
Easier for some, than others, but it's not that hard a task.
Having a conscience is the first step.
EDITED: 17 Feb 2006 by DGL
From: JHayes55 [#54]
18 Feb 2006
To: UncleSteve [#50] 18 Feb 2006
Steve
Sadly good crooks are usually very High IQ - but I am not sure Justin is smart just sneaky. And he must be good at sneaky because look at the individuals who were taken in (some of them more than once).
Justin is a wolf in sheep's clothing and he used the wool to pull it over peoples eyes. Everyone who has been in business has been shorn a time or two.
From: UncleSteve [#55]
18 Feb 2006
To: JHayes55 [#54] 18 Feb 2006
As you say, we all get hit once in a while but most of us don't get hit by the same person/company twice. :S
From: Gary (GNELSON) [#56]
19 Feb 2006
To: JHayes55 [#54] 19 Feb 2006
Is this the same guy that was always on the board talking about how busy he was?
"I just got an order for 2000 of this or 500 of that?" What did he do to you guys?
I always though it was funny that some one THAT busy working to 3AM was on the board every 5 minutes.
I was that busy and I'm just now getting back to looking at the board daily!
From: JHayes55 [#57]
19 Feb 2006
To: Gary (GNELSON) [#56] 19 Feb 2006
Gary - Yes that's the one - he always had some big deal going on - or so he said.
He did not do anything to me personally but he did take advantage of some people (friends of mine) here on the board. From all indications his business practices are less than ethical.
Justin's reasons for posting here may have been two fold - one to pump himself up because he needed pumping up - second seems to have been to take advantage of people. It's a sad case and thankfully not very common among the good folks who frequent this board.
Glad you have been busy - good to see you back.
From: Upacreek [#58]
20 Feb 2006
To: ALL
In answer to these questions. Either of those options do not always guarantee a resolution.
I have met many people who have paid via PayPal and not received their merchandise/service. Complaints to PayPal result in generic responses and no assistance in resolution.
I personally had problems with a cc purchase of a computer 8 years ago. It was not what was advertised. After fighting with the company for months and them finally agreeing to take the computer back, I shipped it to them naively expecting a refund. Yup, No refund. I filed complaints to the cc and BBB. The company lied and said I had taken a hammer to the computer. They even went to the extent to break the computer with a hammer, put it back in my shipping box and take photos of it to "prove" the damage "I did" to it. I had no photos to prove otherwise so I was denied the $700 refund.
Regarding should the forum allow discussion of bad vendors? To an extent, yes. Don't stoop to the level of the bad vendor and trash them. Just present the facts and state your experience. That's when other people start to share their similar experiences or step up to help resolve the problem.
Michel
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#59]
23 Feb 2006
To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#10] 6 May 2006
You said
Getting into board of enquiries and ratings etc makes it very localised and it can start to feel restrictive as well , very much a big brother approach with the board as the stick.
I am only NOW getting caught up on forum posts and have not read this entire thread, but I do agree with you on this point.
From: gt350ed [#60]
24 Feb 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#53] 24 Feb 2006
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