Full Version: Does the DK20S need redesign of the handle ?
From: Mick [#1]
15 Mar 2006
To: ALL
Does the DK20S need redesign of the handle ?
From: Mick [#2]
15 Mar 2006
To: ALL
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#3]
15 Mar 2006
To: Mick [#2] 16 Mar 2006
Hi Mick,
It was nice to meet you in Vegas.....you were fun.
"My" opinion is that the design of the press, ( which I recently bought) is for TWO handed use. It is desgined for two hands and as such should be USED with two hands.
While I was taking my classes on sublimation at the ARA show, never did I try to use the press with one hand.
"My" opinion is that one should use a tool as designed, in this case with two hands.
It is further my opinion that manufacturers should NOT be expected to anticipate every possible contigency that might arise from NOT USING the machine in the WAY IT WAS DESIGNED. In other words this press was not designed for single handed use, therefore should NOT be used with one hand.
We as Americans have gotten accustomed to NOT taking personal responsibility for ourselves again in "MY" opinion, and therefore look to manufacturers, govt and other entities to protect us from ourselves and our somtimes lack of common sense or judgement.
In this case, GeoKnight designed the press to be used with TWO hands and if someone did not use the press the way it was desgined, it is NOT GeoKnights fault. Alternatively, GeoKnight would be wise to consider design considerations that would ultimately improve their product.
Either way, I believe I have seen GeoKnight presses DESIGNED for single handed use.
My two cents. Want change?
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#4]
16 Mar 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#3] 16 Mar 2006
Have you taken possession of your heat press?
During your hands-on sublimation training, did you personally adjust the press to accomodate various thicknesses?
I'll have some follow-up questions, based on your answers.
Over the next day or two, I'll add some comparison photos to this thread, to help people with no first-hand experience, or knowledge of the DK20S, to participate in the poll.
At this point, I suspect some people think the DK20S is the next plane they'll be flying on. :-)
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#5]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#4] 16 Mar 2006
During your hands-on sublimation training, did you personally adjust the press to accomodate various thicknesses?
No, I have not taken possession of my heat press yet.
Yes I did get to personally adjust the press to accomodate various thicknesses....... in fact, I ended up doing almost all the pressing for the class.
One of the reasons I select the DKS20 is because of the availability of the shuttle, which will expedite the pressing of tiles.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#6]
16 Mar 2006
To: ALL
At this time, almost half the members viewing this thread have voted....that's pretty great turnout if you ask me....
In case you are new, or haven't kept up with the discussion, or don't know what is being discussed. You can see the developments that have brought this discussion to a poll at this link......
http://www.engravingetc.org/forum/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=1514.57
If you really want to dig in, go all the way back to the first post and start there.......It's an investment, but you will have had more than enough information to make an informed decision based on the pictures and comments that have been made throughout the thread.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#7]
16 Mar 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#5] 16 Mar 2006
Thank you Chuck.
The shuttle presses are very nice. Great production tools.
During your adjustment for substrate thickness, where did you place your (right or left) hand(s), while testing for proper pressure?
On one, or both foam grips, or in the center section of the handle bar?
EDITED: 16 Mar 2006 by DGL
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#8]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#7] 16 Mar 2006
On one, or both foam grips, or in the center section of the handle bar?
While making the adjustments for thickness, I would stand beside the machine on the left side ( facing ), adjust the Black furreled knob on the top with my left hand, gently holding the press with the left side foam gripped handle with my right hand.
After the adjustment I moved back to the front of the press and used both hands to close the press.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#9]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#7] 16 Mar 2006
In the March 2006 Recogntion Pro ( Formerly Graphics Pro) on page 20 is an article about heat presses. I did not read this until AFTER I purchased my press but it may have influenced my decision had I read it before.
In the article is a review of a new press from iDEK USA.
LINK
Their press the d2 also has a shuttle, but in this design the "head" moves not the table.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#10]
16 Mar 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#9] 16 Mar 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11]
16 Mar 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#9] 16 Mar 2006
Coast Graphic Supply had an Idek on display at the ARA show. Various attachments turn the press into a hat press and an easy way to press pockets and sleeves of shirts.
Slick indeed.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12]
16 Mar 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#8] 16 Mar 2006
No further questions at this time. :-)
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#13]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12] 16 Mar 2006
Perry "The Stunt Lawyer" Mason! :O ( insert laugh here )
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#14]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11] 16 Mar 2006
Coast Graphic Supply had an Idek on display at the ARA show. Various attachments turn the press into a hat press and an easy way to press pockets and sleeves of shirts.
I'm sorry I didn't see that.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15]
16 Mar 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#13] 16 Mar 2006
Yes, it's another session of "Peephole's Court" catering to the voyeur in each of us. :-)
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#16]
16 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15] 16 Mar 2006
Too funny. Thanks for the laugh.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#17]
18 Mar 2006
To: ALL
I have no idea how many presses, of the previous build, are in circulation, but be aware of the differences between the two.
If you own (or buy) one of the previous builds, especially if you have employees, I'd suggest taking it upon yourself to not only make specific mention of the fact that it's necessary to operate the press with hands at the "outside" reaches of the foam grips, but to use some form of safety labeling as a reminder.
EDITED: 18 Mar 2006 by DGL
From: UncleSteve [#18]
18 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#17] 18 Mar 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#19]
18 Mar 2006
To: UncleSteve [#18] 18 Mar 2006
Steve,
Your assumptions are correct. It was the first thing I did, after posting to the "Watch Your Fingers" thread.
Here's a copy:
Hi Aaron,
I visited Coast Graphic Supply today and saw a fresh-out-of-the-box DK20S.
To my delight, I see the adjustment to the handlebar was made and now ample clearance between the handlebar and upper housing exists.
I commend you for being a man of your word and for taking this issue seriously. Honesty, integrity and business ethics are important to me. I'm happy to see you're a proponent of the same.
I don't know if you remember our brief meeting at the NBM show in Long Beach, two or three years ago. I was in the hotel, next to the Convention Center, when I noticed Paul Whitehill, (no doubt, our mutual friend) yourself and another person walk in.
We were introduced, but didn't really talk to one another.
If you don't remember that occasion, I'll make a point of introducing myself, next time you're exhibiting at a show that I attend.
I occasionally find myself as a presenter, at industry events, and I've highlighted your products in the past. I'll continue to do so, if the occasion arises again.
All the best,
David
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EDITED: 18 Mar 2006 by DGL
From: UncleSteve [#20]
18 Mar 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#19] 18 Mar 2006
I always knew you were a true gentleman! A PITA to some vendors at times, but a true gentleman! :-)
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