Full Version: Exhaust Blower
From: LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) [#3]
22 Mar 2006
To: Awardsguy [#1] 22 Mar 2006
Hi ,
I originally had an expensive Fumex filter that did not do the job. I took it out and used Penn's blower. Recommended to me by my Hermes rep. It does a great job and very inexpensive. Just make sure your exhust pipe is large enought to carry the air out.
Larry
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#4]
22 Mar 2006
To: Awardsguy [#1] 22 Mar 2006
My blower is on the floor under the table the laser is on. The duct then goes three feet across the floor and up and out the window. I used the rigid, but flexibile, 4" metal dryer vent hose. Sealed all connections and around the window.
edited to add: do a search. There have been several threads discussing exhaust blowers.
EDITED: 22 Mar 2006 by KDEVORY
From: John (ICTJOHN) [#5]
22 Mar 2006
To: Awardsguy [#1] 22 Mar 2006
Garry &/or Kris,
Uncle Steve is correct in that it is easier to pull the exhaust air than to push it, so mount the blower (in this case it will be a sucker.... (devil) )as close to the outside wall as possible with as few elbows as possible. In doing so, you will also find there is less chance to exhaust fumes into the room where you and the machine are. Some fumes can be very pungent as well as toxic, plastic is especially bad in both respects.
Also, use as little of the "flexible" tubing as possible, all of the ridges in it cause a restriction which will cut down on your airflow and build up with crud. I am using 10' lengths of the 4" PVC which need fewer couplings and has a smooth inside wall for less air restriction.
From: Awardsguy [#6]
22 Mar 2006
To: ALL
I thought I could probably mount the blower above the drop ceiling directly above the laser (about 8 - 9 feet straight up) and about 2 feet from the outside wall using rigid pipe to exhaust it out with just flexible PVC between the rigid pipe and the engraver. My concern was why does the blower unit NEED to be outside. It just didn't make sense as long as everything is tightly sealed.
I just want to make sure that I can do what I WANT to do and not have to spend $1,000 when I can meet all of the specifications for about $300.
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#7]
22 Mar 2006
To: Awardsguy [#6] 22 Mar 2006
From: logojohn [#8]
22 Mar 2006
To: Awardsguy [#6] 22 Mar 2006
The blower is mounted above the drop ceiling on a platform in the metal roof rafters and then a short distance to outside. We decided it was better to go through the wall even though it is thick masonry to avoid future roof leaking problems.
We had to have electrical work done, build the platform and have the hole bored in the wall which ran close to $2000 without the blower. Back then they were not automatic so we had it wired with a timer with auto shut off. I am sure if you did most or all of it yourself or didn't have a masonry wall or need electrical work it would be much less.
It is worth doing it that way as the blower is very loud by the laser but hardly noticeable above the ceiling.
Since the blower has an intake and outake I doubt a few feet of pipe connected to the outtake would hurt much.
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From: bobkat [#9]
22 Mar 2006
To: Awardsguy [#1] 24 Mar 2006
From: Paul (JACKPETTY) [#10]
22 Mar 2006
To: ALL
I'm not happy about it but mine is in the same room as my laser (for now anyway). I'm careful to check for leaks but thankfully, my room is old and not airtight anyway.
Looking into getting it outside but I didn't even know they made outdoor units.
From: Boz (CHEDDARHEAD) [#11]
23 Mar 2006
To: ALL
Depending on what laser engraving system you are purchasing, there are a number of manufactures selling inexpensive dust collection units which can be used for exhausting laser systems. You can buy almost any of the dust collection systems for less than $ 200 and they are relatively quiet. Just throw away the bag and pipe it outside. Harbor Feight, Grizzly Industrial, Delta Industrial, all sell these blowers. If you need about 400 CFM at 6" of static pressure, the 1 hp. models will do fine. I think some of the units can be run with a remote control. Kinda nice when that phone rings and you want to hear what is going on.
If you want to spend a bunch, you can always buy one from Grainger.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#12]
23 Mar 2006
To: Boz (CHEDDARHEAD) [#11] 23 Mar 2006
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From: Awardsguy [#14]
25 Mar 2006
To: ALL
From: bobkat [#15]
25 Mar 2006
To: Awardsguy [#14] 25 Mar 2006
From: Paul (JACKPETTY) [#16]
26 Mar 2006
To: bobkat [#15] 28 Mar 2006
Great idea but is the air going thru the blower enough to keep it cool for those long jobs? I worry about the heat build up or, am I worrying about nothing?
Thanks for the great idea!
From: bobkat [#17]
28 Mar 2006
To: Paul (JACKPETTY) [#16] 28 Mar 2006
From: Paul (JACKPETTY) [#18]
28 Mar 2006
To: bobkat [#17] 28 Mar 2006
Thanks, I've already started the 'mental' process of doing this. Gotta put out a few fires first.
I appreciate the info.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#19]
28 Mar 2006
To: Paul (JACKPETTY) [#18] 28 Mar 2006
From: Paul (JACKPETTY) [#20]
28 Mar 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#19] 28 Mar 2006
From: corel_guy_76010 (ROBERT_HENSLEY) [#21]
29 Mar 2006
To: ALL
The Penn State DC3 is the what everyone uses. It is not recommend for outdoor use. I would not cover it or put in a box outside. It WILL rust.
However, most people put it right next to their laser. If it's too loud, build a plywood box and but installation in it. Remember, it's not like an air compressor that will burn up. It gets its air from the laser and exhausts it out.
The exhaust should be within 10 ft of the laser. Anything more reduces the static resistance. It can be vented up to 50 feet without any problems. Have done serveral installs like this without any problems.
Add a plastic or metal gate between the laser and the exhaust. This will allow more control over the flow when you need less. If you live in a climate such as Mexico, add another gate after the exhaust and before it goes outside. I've have seen lasers rust because the laser is open to the outside and mositure comes in from the outside (in the morning).
Also now is the time to add a paint booth for color filing or spraying paint on plaques. This unit can handle both systems without any problems.
TheLong Ranger remote control is the only way to go. Have one on my paint booth and one on my laser.
From: bobkat [#22]
29 Mar 2006
To: corel_guy_76010 (ROBERT_HENSLEY) [#21] 4 Apr 2006
Hi Corel guy. There are several things in your post I don't agree with. First off, not everyone uses the Penn State blower (although not a bad choice), I know several people (including at least 1 laser system manufacturer) who use the 1 hp Grizzly dust collector. Works fine for exhaust and also for vacuum hold-down. I have had one outside in a deck box for 2 years; no moisture, no rust.
Putting the blower next to the laser is the worst place you can put it. Any exhaust gasses between the blower and the outside vent are in a pressurized line, and any leakage is being blown into your building. It is better and safer to have the blower at the end of the run than at the beginning. If the blower is at the end of the run, any leakage on the intake side of the blower will just suck room air into the line and exhaust it outside; it is a negatively pressurized line.
Lastly, you NEVER want to use either of these units for a spray booth application. Neither unit is rated explosion-proof, as they both draw air (and volatile fumes) past the motor. OSHA or your local fire inspector is likely to have a big problem with an installation of this type.
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