Full Version: Do you like guitar music?
From: Debbie (DEBBIEG) [#6]
2 Apr 2006
To: basehorawards [#1] 3 Apr 2006
Thanks for posting the link. My son plays guitar and wants to do something in the music industry (hopefully playing is guitar but is level headed enough to know it takes a lot to become a legend in the industry and would be just as happy teaching guitar). He loved watching the video and I am sure by tonight will be trying to repeat exactly what he saw.
Thanks we enjoyed watching.
Debbie G
Michigan
From: John (JOHNRMONTG) [#7]
3 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#5] 3 Apr 2006
That's it! I am selling my strat and buying a croquet mallot and a hula skirt... even at my best I couldn't do any part of that lick... :-(
Great player and at such a young age ... but then that's where so many got the motivation and 'course, a god given talent (I believe).
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8]
3 Apr 2006
To: John (JOHNRMONTG) [#7] 4 Apr 2006
To any of us who play(ed), it's frustrating, to watch the young "shredders."
My comfort zone is kind of an R&B rock mode, which means if I were trying to jam with that kid, I'd have to be an innocent bystander. :-)
From: John (JOHNRMONTG) [#9]
4 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8] 4 Apr 2006
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#10]
4 Apr 2006
To: basehorawards [#1] 5 Apr 2006
I could be wrong, but I don't think you are hearing that guy playing the guitar at all. I think he's doing the finger version of lip sync.
The music is the song Christmas Canon Rock by Trans-Siberian Orchestra, from their album The Lost Christmas Eve.
If you go to this page on Barnes & Noble and click the link in the song list for the sample of Christmas Canon Rock, right at the end of the 30 second sample is the start of that guitar riff.
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&EAN=75679314628&ITM=7
If I'm right, then the kid still has a lot of talent to keep up with the riff, but you're not actually hearing what he's playing.
Or maybe I'm just a skeptic, and the kid is a musical genius. :-)
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#11]
4 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#10] 4 Apr 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12]
4 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#10] 4 Apr 2006
With all the supporting instrumentation, I figured he had used electronic rhythm machines to provide a drum beat, etc. and was providing the live lead/rhythm chops.
What you suspect may be true. If you've seen movies such as "Crossroads", with Ralph Macchio or "Back To The Future" (BTTF) with Michael J. Fox, the actors pull off some very credible "finger-sync" where, in the case of "Crossroads", Ry Cooder is actually providing the slide guitar tracks.
Don't know who was involved in the BTTF "Michael J. Fox" version of Johnny B. Good, but both actors obviously, if not actually performing, have an excellent "working knowledge" of the instrument.
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#13]
4 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12] 4 Apr 2006
Very true. Fox was very convincing in BTTF. He knows the song well enough that I've heard he has performed it a number of times at benefits.
The "real" guitarist in that movie was Tim May:
http://www.guitarsessions.com/may05/lascene.asp
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#14]
4 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#13] 4 Apr 2006
Thanks for the link. Very interesting.
I got a kick out of the Valley Arts guitar mention. Brought back memories.
Valley Arts was located in Studio City, CA, during my time working for G&W Trophies, in No. Hollywood, CA, where I was engraving neck plates for Valley Arts, with the Valley Arts logo and the name of the guitar owner on the plates.
Saw a lot of big names, and I probably engraved Tim's plate, but didn't recognize him at the time.
Valley Arts sold to a Japanese company and I don't think I've seen that brand since.
The new company took shortcuts in the engraving area. I'm sure that translated to the overall manufacture and new models were probably run-of-the-mill instruments.
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#15]
4 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#14] 4 Apr 2006
That's cool that you worked there. That place was legendary.
I think it was a Korean company that bought them.
The guys that started Valley Arts went to work for Gibson and convinced Gibson to buy the name back from the Koreans a couple of years ago. They're now making custom guitars under the Valley Arts Guitars division of Gibson.
http://www.gibson.com/Products/GibsonElectric/ValleyArts/Valley%20Arts%20Custom%20Pro/
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#16]
4 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#15] 4 Apr 2006
Dave,
Nice!! It's good to see that logo again and even nicer to know Gibson is behind it.
When will we see your guitar work in streaming video? :-)
These days, I live vicariously, by producing presentation plaques for Hollywood's Rock Walk, which gives me the opportunity to rub elbows with some of the "legends."
"Blondie" will be inducted May, 22, 2006 and I'll be there to witness the festivities.
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From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#17]
4 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#16] 4 Apr 2006
Not too likely. ;-)
My brother is a guitarist. I was a drummer. Gave that up years ago and moved on to video art and video engineering, but still have a few musician friends.
My brother has a custom Gibson (one that's almost as old as him) that he bought a couple of years ago, so I've spent a bit of time browsing their site.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#18]
4 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#17] 4 Apr 2006
Dave,
Nothing wrong with the video and video arts field. Takes a lot of know-how. What are you hoping to do in the engraving industry?
If you're a drummer, you must know a good bass player or two. In the bands I played in, the two were inseparable. Somebody had to hold the beat together while the guitarists were spinning out of control. :-)
Edit: I think you answered my question, in the "Maximum thickness..." thread.
EDITED: 4 Apr 2006 by DGL
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#19]
4 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#18] 4 Apr 2006
I tried my hand at bass guitar, for a very short time. Decided I was better at beating on the drums.
I started researching the laser as a way to engrave the front panels for electronic equipment I make, including a new series of modular synthesizers I'm designing, and for the fixtures I mentioned in that other thread for limited producton or custom machines that I sometimes make.
But the more I looked at what it could do, the more things I've been wanting to try with it. I'm not planning to do anything in the A&R field or engraving services field. But hope to try doing some sculptural and artistic things with it. (some with electronics in them)
I also often design mechanical devices or aesthetic elements used by artists or for companies to use in trade shows and corporate lobbies. I've always hired machinists to cut and machine materials for me. Now I can do some of it (the non-metalic parts at least) with the laser.
Ask me again in a few months. By then I might know what I'm going to be doing. :D
Here's a link to a somewhat outdated bio:
http://www.djdesign.com/davebio.html
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#20]
4 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#19] 5 Apr 2006
The bio may be somewhat outdated, but very impressive, nonetheless.
My wife is currently trying to put a multi-media exhibit together, for a solo show, featuring her photography.
www.raggiovisivo.com
She wants to choreograph images to music and use lighting effects and maybe even a little bit of fog for the ocean images.
She has until October of this year and is talking to a local person with a background in that type of work. Used to (or still does?) that type of thing for musical acts.
Sounds like something in your bag of tricks.
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#21]
5 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#20] 5 Apr 2006
Nice photos.
It's good to work with a local person. And you're in the right part of the country to find rental equipment for lighting and fog.
Lighting and fog are usually controlled through a control bus called DMX. There are all sorts of DMX controllers and devices from small to huge. And there is a lot of DMX control software available for both Mac and PC designed to run a show like you describe.
DMX was designed for theaters, picked up by bands, and is now affordable because of all the DJs & VJs in a zillion clubs around the world. There's a rapper with that same name, so searching on DMX doesn't work so well, but search on DMX software and you'll get a taste of the amount of DMX hardware and software out there for show control and for DJs.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#22]
5 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#21] 5 Apr 2006
Thank you Dave.
Very valuable information. I'll pass it along to my wife.
She wants to "knock their socks off" with the equivalent of a "Rock Show" presentation.
It may not be the first time (according to your bio) this type of thing has been done, but I can tell you, we've never seen anything like it, in any of the galleries in which she's exhibited.
As an aside, thank you for joining the forum. I'm thoroughly enjoying our exchanges. :-)
EDITED: 5 Apr 2006 by DGL
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#23]
5 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#22] 5 Apr 2006
If there's been fog in an art gallery, it was probably from too much wine at an opening. :S
It's probably been done somewhere, but I would think it's pretty rare in a gallery. Even the controlled lights are fairly rare in a gallery setting, but they do get used once in a while.
Lighting control is used more in certain types of museum exhibits (more often natural history/science type exhibits). Even in large museums fog would be extremely rare. The lights and fog do show up in performance art, and of course dance, music, etc...
Fog machines do require ventilation, which could be an issue for a gallery.
Thanks for the welcome. I'm enjoying this forum. There are lots of great and very helpful people here, and a nice relaxed atmosphere.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#24]
5 Apr 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#23] 5 Apr 2006
I hadn't thought about ventilation for the fog.
The room where the exhibit/performance will take place, is on the second floor of the gallery, with no windows. That probably nixes the fog idea, but we can still razzle and dazzle with the lighting and images syncopated to music.
I may be to blame/credit for the relaxed atmosphere. Those who know me, say if I get any more relaxed, I'd be in a coma. :-)
It's important to me that we promote a welcoming attitude and provide information with an astounding response rate.
Thank you for helping us live up to our 411/911 reputation. :-)
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#25]
5 Apr 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#24] 5 Apr 2006
Some dryer hose and couple of small shop vent fans can provide ventilation from a different part of the building. That could also keep the fog in a specific part of the space. You don't have to ventilate the whole space. Just exhaust the fog.
Some stage shows will feed fog from one side of a stage and exhaust it from the other through a hose to the outside. That way you get a layer of fog on the floor of the stage but it never gets above about a foot or so deep. Another hose supplying the fresh air from outside to where the fog machine is means you aren't sucking out all the heated/air conditioned air from the room.
If it's a performance/presentation, that might work. If it's a show that is up for a month or so, that might not be such a good solution.
EDITED: 5 Apr 2006 by DAVERJ