Full Version: It's not about Immigration
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11]
3 May 2006
To: kmccutch [#10] Unread
Keith,
I think we should mention that people on "either side" of the issue should let their wishes be known.
It's not a one-sided issue.
Thanks for the link.
EDITED: 3 May 2006 by DGL
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#12]
3 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11] 3 May 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13]
3 May 2006
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#12] 3 May 2006
Can the borders ever be truly secure?
From what I've heard, if the proposed 700-mile-long fence were to be built, along the Mexican border, to be effective, it would have to be 100 ft. tall, with half of that height underground.
Welcome to East Berlin.
What about the Canadian border? What about the coasts? What about airspace?
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#14]
3 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13] 3 May 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15]
3 May 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#14] 3 May 2006
I'm not opposed to that at all.
If the fence idea doesn't fly, electronic surveillance will probably be the next best thing, but that can easily become heavy grist for the conspiracy theorists, knowing it can be used on anyone.
Good luck to those having to make the crucial decisions.
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#16]
3 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13] 3 May 2006
Is an impenetrable wall necessary, how about the ability to detect and intercept as an alternative?
Detect: Satellite, ground vibration, string two wires as a capacitance based sensor. Infrared, computer vision... go high tech.
Intercept: helicopters, and ground vehicles.
How about a plant based barrier to slow those that have passed the sensor line.
Those caught need to be identified by some means not perceived as easy to mutilate (finger prints); Use a retina scan or some other biometric.
Currently there is no deterrent. It's taken for granted if you get stopped on your first attempt, you'll make it on your second. -No risk, easy, lots of perceived potential gain...
EDITED: 3 May 2006 by KDEVORY
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#17]
3 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15] 3 May 2006
What the hell David, Bush has already been tapping our phones and taking away more and more of our Constitutional rights in the name of security, all the while the borders are basically wide open for anyone to walk in.
Spending 40 Billion in 2005 alone for Homeland Security is a joke. Even Halburton in a non bid contract could build your fence for that kind of money and still have money left over to give Foreign Aid to the Saudi's; who really need it since the price of oil is so low.
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#18]
3 May 2006
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#17] 3 May 2006
From: UncleSteve [#19]
3 May 2006
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#17] 3 May 2006
Does this mean you are coming out of the closet? The only calls being "tapped" according to the reports in the news AND from the White Tower, er, House were int'l calls to the middle east.....
Salam!
From: Mick [#20]
3 May 2006
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#8] 3 May 2006
Hi Dave,
Here in Colorado if someone trespasses on your property and you feel your life is threartened, it is cool (legal) to shoot them.
The (illegals, immigrants, aliens etc., etc.) are trespassing on our country, and they are threatening my (way) of life.
Maybe don't shoot em, but sure as HELL get them outa here !
There are many LEGAL ways to immigrate to OUR country.
Mick
EDITED: 3 May 2006 by MICK
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#21]
3 May 2006
To: UncleSteve [#19] 3 May 2006
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#22]
3 May 2006
To: Mick [#20] 3 May 2006
Mick,
Now don't you go shooting ET. He's a good Alien. Where is Agent's Scully & Mulder when you need them to track down the bad ones
It was great seeing you in Vegas!
From: Bieb (HABIEB) [#23]
3 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13] 3 May 2006
And who will build this fence? The Mexicans? LOL
Yeah!! put a fence up north too... keep them pesky Canadians out, (unless they come with good beer)
LOL... just to lighten it up a bit...
Harold
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#24]
3 May 2006
To: Bieb (HABIEB) [#23] 5 May 2006
From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#25]
3 May 2006
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#17] 4 May 2006
1. The wire tap thing is so old news and has been for a while. It never was the extent that "some" democrats made it out to be. It was only on "some conversations from out of country lines to suspected and known links to certain groups out side of the U.S. Your phone was never bugged and neither was over 97% of the rest of America.
2. I and two of my friends have worked with Haliburton in the past. They make bids like everyone else, they just have proof of ability to be able to do the job going for them, so they do get put at the top of the list a lot of times. And all of this stuff with Chaney and Haliburton is false since he has no shares in the company any more and hasn't been connected with them in years. Again, misrepresented information.
Politically, we all differ in this forum, but instead of turning a thread about a current situation that does affect us as business owners into a reason to bash the administration with old issues that doesn't hold alot of water is a waste of time.
I personally feel that both the republicans and democrats have worked to flush this country down the toilet by pandering to their own power. Its time that a third party take the reins for a while. Unfortunately, no third party can raise the funds to stand up to the bigwigs.
Anyway, off of my soap box on this issue. On a lighter note:
An economic survey of our area was done. And though it is an estimate, it shows that our city actually gained more money this week because of Monday than they would have made if it were a normal day. Turns out, more people (primarily hispanics I guess) went to the stores on Sunday to buy stuff they would probably have bought on Monday. apparently, there was also a boost in sales at some of the local theatres and restaurants also, probably because these people out stocking up for the boycott felt that since they were not going to work the next day that that would have been a good time to eat out and go to the movies.
Also, I heard an interview with a lady who supported the boycott by spending all day Saturday and Sunday silk screening protest shirts and selling them at the rally on Monday. I don't think they quite got the whole idea of what the boycott was all about.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#26]
3 May 2006
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#25] Unread
Here in Oxnard, the protest had little impact. The farmworkers put their hours in, over the weekend, so they could protest Monday. :-)
Just shifted their shopping and work days, to those other than Monday.
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#27]
4 May 2006
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#25] Unread
1. The wire tap thing is so old news and has been for a while. It never was the extent that "some" democrats made it out to be. It was only on "some conversations from out of country lines to suspected and known links to certain groups out side of the U.S. Your phone was never bugged and neither was over 97% of the rest of America.Based on your figures, that over 6,000,000 illegal wiretaps. Don't know about you but I hold my Rights pretty damn high and freedom of expression without the fear of retailation is one of them!!
It's not old news if the President continues to break the law and thunbs his nose at the Constitution.
Excuse me, Haliburton was awarded MANY no competitive bid contracts. And if you think having no shares in the Company is proof that there is no favoratism toward Chaney's former company, you need to get the rose colored glasses off.
If you will check the name of this fold it is Editorials and there is no limit to the discussion and since I started the thread I can take it pretty much where I please.
I think you still have the right to not read any post you so choose, that right still hasn't been taken away from you, yet.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#28]
4 May 2006
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#27] 4 May 2006
Hi Dave,
You have a problem with tapping people that are suspected terrorists that are making outside calls to other countries?
Why?
Are you a suspected terrorist making calls outside the country?
I highly doubt it....
Wouldn't you place the people of this country's rights to decent security, over the rights of suspected terrorists making calls to outside countries?
Don't get me wrong.....This administration is my party.... I'm not particularly happy with them, but to try to argue that it's better to allow suspected terrorists to have phone conversations with outside entitys that could be a threat seems foolish to me.
Regarding if the administration's action was/is legal or not.....That is still up for debate.......I haven't seen any ruling that says it isn't. At least none that has the power to change the present behavior. My guess is that they are still tapping suspected terrorists that are making calls to outside countries.
And they should be!
I wish the administration would be as aggressive with sealing up the borders and working on a solution to the immigration problems we are having.
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#29]
4 May 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#28] 4 May 2006
No government spying??? Typed an answer to your post and the forum crashed. Obviously the Admin has infected my computer tracking my keystrokes!!
Removing tongue in cheek, you asked
You have a problem with tapping people that are suspected terrorists that are making outside calls to other countries?
Are you saying that they are not tapping suspected terrorists that are making calls to other people inside the USA? Just as long as it is legal I have no problem, but it has to be a suspect, not all calls.
More later
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#30]
4 May 2006
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#29] 4 May 2006
I see nothing to support the suggestion of illegal activity by this administration when it comes to tapping phones.
In this post.....
You suggested that this administration will/might tap anyone....This is false. That was clearly addressed by the administration when the media overblew the coverage on their discovery of the administrations tapping policy. Their policy does not include tapping anyone other than suspected terrorist, specificaly calling outside of the USA.....
If you are suggesting that the administration is lying about this policy, I'm sure that if there was any proof of this that the liberal media would be all over it. There isn't, and they aren't.
I don't know of anyone fitting this description, but if I did.....I would want them to be tapped.
Like I said...I'm a conservative republican (not necessarily a happy one).....You don't need to make stuff up to criticize the conservative side of the aisel......There's plenty of stuff like border softness, lack of action on their original agenda, Fuel prices, and a host of other things with which to complain about to go around......Illegal phone tapping just isn't on the list...... :)
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