Full Version: Engraving Etc. Free
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#1]
6 May 2006
To: ALL
I agree that a free forum is very important to those opposed to a subscription-based site.
Therefore, I encourage you to decide who you would like to the be the lead moderator of Engraving Etc. Free, which is a Delphi forum, located at
http://forums.delphiforums.com/Engrave
I'll give that person access to the control panel, which will enable them to manage the discussions.
All the best,
From: sprinter [#2]
6 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#1] 7 May 2006
Hi David,
I set up engravingetcfree with it's own domain, so delphi isn't needed. It's http://www.engravingetcfree.com/
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#3]
7 May 2006
To: sprinter [#2] 7 May 2006
Thank you Sprinter.
I visited your forum and I've already found it of value.
Would you mind if I ask your real name?
The reason I ask, is when visiting your site, I saw a post from "Stunted Engraver" which, while I was amused, helped solidify my decision as to the use of pseudonyms, as usernames.
The new registration at EE.org, (ala Sawmill Creek), will require that a person's true identity, be their username.
We're a group of professionals and professionals-in-training. Anything worth saying, (if a person feels strongly enough), is worthy of saying, under their true identity.
That will eliminate anonymous snipes/pot-shots/complaints etc.
While we're on that topic, as much as I'm opposed to deleting posts, I will make a single exception.
EE.org posts, created for the sole purpose of taunting, gloating or in any way disparaging another forum, or its members, will be summarily deleted.
If a person persists, they'll be out the door. Bottom line.
I must say, with imitation being the most sincere form of flattery, I admit to being very pleased.
Aside from that, I hope you don't mind if I make it abundantly clear, to our current and future forum members, that your site is in no way affiliated with EE.org
With that in mind, if you ever decide to change the name of your forum, I'll eagerly include your site in our "Links of Interest."
I commend you for taking the inititiative and creating a cost-free venue for the discussion of all things awards and engraving industry related.
I'm not being disingenuous, when I say, I wish you the best of luck, in your new venture.
EDITED: 7 May 2006 by DGL
From: sawdr73 [#4]
7 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#3] 8 May 2006
when visiting your site, I saw a post from "Stunted Engraver" which, while I was amused, helped solidify my decision as to the use of pseudonyms, as usernames.
Just so you will know, I am the "stunted engraver" . I used that name because a fellow member of this forum refers to me as "stunted engraver" because of my being under-tall. It is used between myself and him as we are very good friends and we find humor in refering to one another with "pet" names. This nickname is in no way referring to you or anyone else. If it offends anyone, then I am sorry, but I will continue to use it for the simple smile I know I would see on my friends face.
Mickey Parker
Vital Signs
McNeil, AR
From: Upacreek [#5]
7 May 2006
To: sawdr73 [#4] 8 May 2006
Glad to see you used the fun name to put a smile on a friend's face.
As long as pet names are deemed fun by both the namer and the namee, I say keep using it! ;-)
Michel
From: sprinter [#6]
7 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#3] 8 May 2006
Thank you David.
It was not started to compete or as a US vs THEM venue, just an alternate highway. Everyone is being professional and not bad mouthing or slinging mud on the new forum, several members plan on joining your new subscrition forum and our alternate forum. So it looks like it may turn out to be a win-win for everyone.
The name was not really ment to copy yours, I ran out of name options that was available that had engraving in it that made any sense. I'm sure you went through the same thing when you registered engravingetc and had to use .org because engravingetc.com was already being taken.
Your forum is already in our links section.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#7]
8 May 2006
To: sawdr73 [#4] 8 May 2006
Mickey,
I think you've been following this forum long enough to know that I have an acute sense of humor. I wasn't kidding, when I say I was amused.
With that said, since EEF.com has no official standing with myself or EE.org; especially during a time of transition, I don't like to see anything resembling my "handle" or the name of this site.
I have no control, over what people do, of their own free will. I'm just letting my feelings be known. Continue to use that handle, with my blessing.
My decision to offer the Delphi Forum, (which is in place to serve as our backup, which, thankfully, we haven't needed) as a "sanctioned" EEF was done as a genuine expression of my desire to offer an alternative to those opposed to the pay format.
Knowing I would be away from the forum for a day or two; visiting with family and friends, on the occasion of my daughter's 16th birthday, I hastily created that post, to alay the concerns of our members.
Delphi, compared to Beehive is limited, with respect to its number of folders.
If there is a demand for a sanctioned EEF, (which, by the way, I wouldn't call it) it will be a Beehive forum, of which I'll be involved with the choosing of its lead moderator and assistants.
If such a forum is formed, I would make the subscription forum (411/911) my top priority, but would participate on the cost-free side as time allowed.
As it stands, as much as I commend the mutation forum's efforts, I won't be a participant there.
I see it as a case of "Sprinter Jumping The Gun."
EDITED: 27 May 2006 by DGL
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8]
8 May 2006
To: sprinter [#6] 8 May 2006
As you suggested, the .com extension wasn't available, for Engraving Etc., but I must say, if I were initiating a new engraving-related forum, with full knowledge of another, with a very similar name, I certainly would have come up with a name that would in no way be construed as a deceptive attempt to build a membership, on the popularity of the original.
I think that's going to work against you.
I have some questions, one of which was asked previously:
1) What's your actual name?
2) Who is your administrator, by name? Ours is John C. Fish.
3) What's your background in the Awards and Engraving Industry?
4) How many articles have you had published in industry trade magazines?
5) How many times have you been a presenter at live seminars or workshops?
If you can't truthfully answer those questions, we're not even up to the starting line, in my officially recognizing your forum, or in actively participating.
By the way, I should let you know that I've deleted two messages from this forum, which were mean-spirited towards yours.
EDITED: 8 May 2006 by DGL
From: Pete (AWARDMASTERS) [#9]
8 May 2006
To: sprinter [#6] 8 May 2006
Sprinter says:
"The name was not really ment to copy yours"
Get real!!!
I have no problem with the startup of a new forum (I have already registered). However, I am dissappointed in your statement above. If it is true, then I feel sorry for you - you have almost no vision. If it is not true (highly probable), then you should admit it.
I often disagree with David and his approach to things. In this instance, I have to commend him on his attitude.
You should change the name of your new forum now while you have the opportunity before it gets populated. I suggest that you take a little time and come up with an unrelated name. Dispite your statement to the contary, it is not that difficult to do. Believe me, the name you have chosen will cause you much more harm than good in the long run.
EDITED: 8 May 2006 by AWARDMASTERS
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10]
8 May 2006
To: Pete (AWARDMASTERS) [#9] 8 May 2006
Pete,
It's more fun, when you don't agree with me, but I appreciate your comments, either way.
Thank you,
EDITED: 8 May 2006 by DGL
From: sprinter [#11]
8 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8] 8 May 2006
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#12]
8 May 2006
To: Pete (AWARDMASTERS) [#9] 8 May 2006
Hi Pete,
As I stated in a different post this morning.....The merits of this forum going pay should have nothing to do with a name or competing similar name....It will either pass or fail on it's execution, just as the free site will.
I understand why you feel that it's bad form to use a similar name, but in the end it's the end product that will get people to join either forum. David feels that his forum will be worthy of pay once his ideas come to fruition. I concur with his feelings, either he will have a product worth paying for or he won't.....IMO, The twist on the name will not affect his goal one way or another. People will either pony up for his ideas, or they won't.
From: sprinter [#13]
8 May 2006
To: Pete (AWARDMASTERS) [#9] 8 May 2006
From: Pete (AWARDMASTERS) [#14]
8 May 2006
To: sprinter [#13] 8 May 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15]
8 May 2006
To: sprinter [#11] 8 May 2006
I haven't received the PM.
I asked the questions in public and I'd appreciate a public response.
As for myself, I'm an open book. I've revealed much about my private life on this forum and there is virtually no question I'm not open to answering in public.
I'm trying to help you build credibilty and the questions I posed, would be part of the interview process I would conduct, in choosing a suitable moderator for a "sanctioned" cost-free component of EE.org, which is an idea I'm entirely open to.
EDITED: 8 May 2006 by DGL
From: sprinter [#16]
8 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15] 8 May 2006
Your choice.
The idea of being a moderator for a "sanctioned" cost-free component of EE.org is the furthest thing from my mind.
I want the new forum to be totally independent and grow on it's own.
But thank you for the input.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#17]
8 May 2006
To: sprinter [#16] 8 May 2006
I take it you have no intention of answering my questions.
The furthest thing from my mind, is placing a moderator, in said-proposed-positon, who won't answer those questions.
Best of luck and I mean that.
EDITED: 8 May 2006 by DGL
From: JayBeeOz [#18]
8 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#17] 8 May 2006
David
I wish you the very best of luck with the forum. I have gained some useful info, and I hope I have been able to help some others.
I won't be paying for a couple of reasons. The first is, at $99US, the exchange rate makes it around $130AU. I think as soon as it goes pay.. the 'Family' feel will go to :-(
The reason why this forum is so successful is because people could congregate and share information freely without $$ getting in the way.
having said that I fully respect your decision to take the forum in any direction you feel is right for you, you are the owner after all.
Sprinter has offered a free alternative for members that do not want to or cannot pay for this one, and I am sure he will have alot of valuable input, but I don't feel that his credentials will have any huge bearing on the success of the 'other' forum as I believe it will be the many contributors to the forum from the vast and diverse experience of the members that choose to join that will govern its success or failure.
Thankyou David, and everyone for your kindness and help. I'm sure that I'll see a few of you lurking next door.
John
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#19]
8 May 2006
To: JayBeeOz [#18] 8 May 2006
He needs no credentials to operate his forum.
The point was that to be a sanctioned, (subsidiary), of EE, David need to know something about the person who would be running it.
I would never give someone a piece of my business without knowing something about them.
If he wants to stay as a totally separate forum, all is well.
From: Chewbarka [#20]
8 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#1] 8 May 2006
Can I take out a banner add like the EJ does? I have no problem with a monthly fee.
Frank
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