Full Version: HP 4550 OEM Transfer Paper
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13]
3 Aug 2006
To: logojohn [#12] 3 Aug 2006
I don't know if this is a huge benefit, but laser sublimation renders a glossy black imprint, where OEM toner leaves a matte finish.
Laser sublimation uses inexpensive copy paper as transfer paper.
It's possible to print through the plastic masking of brass or aluminum plates, with laser sublimation, without the need for a citrus residue remover, although a crisper, more vibrant image can be had, by imaging directly to the metal, which requires that the toner residue be removed, followed by a stainless steel cleaner, to remove residual citrus cleaner.
I use both laser and ink jet sublimation. I find uses for both, but prefer ink jet, because of the wider variety of substrates I can print, without a need for additional cleaning steps.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#14]
3 Aug 2006
To: pitbull107 [#11] 3 Aug 2006
Alpha Supply and TOG are both suppliers, with a long history of satisfied laser sublimation customers. More recently, both companies have added ink jet sublimation to their line.
I happened to buy my sublimation toner from Alpha Supply, mainly because Jack Franklin has been such a good friend to the forum.
You can't go wrong with either company.
From: Jerre (LAZAFFAIR) [#15]
3 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13] 3 Aug 2006
Wow! I must have the most unusual 4550 HP ever made. I have not had a SINGLE jam using JBL Graphics HG paper in my 4550. I use the direct feed single sheet and the heavy paper setting. I do not run it out the back, it comes out the regular paper path. I bought this paper about 18 months ago and it almost gone. Maybe there is a newer version of the paper out. Hope not. Have some more tiles to get out. If I get a chance I'll try to post some of the results.
Jerre
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#16]
3 Aug 2006
To: Jerre (LAZAFFAIR) [#15] 3 Aug 2006
If it works, it works.
I was always amazed by your accounts of running HG paper through a 4550.
Please let us know if your new batch of paper works the same as what you're now using.
From: logojohn [#17]
3 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13] 3 Aug 2006
or like the OEM laser transfer than can be used on non-sublimatable surfaces like acrylic, fabrics etc.
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From: Jerre (LAZAFFAIR) [#18]
3 Aug 2006
To: logojohn [#17] 3 Aug 2006
The laser sublimation process is just like inkjet. It needs some (most) polyester in the fabric and a prepared (coated) surface on hard goods. On some items the coating is different for laser vs inkjet. Some plastics (not all) can take sublimation without a coating. Laser sublimation doesn't do well on fabric compared to inkjet.
Jerre
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#19]
3 Aug 2006
To: logojohn [#17] 3 Aug 2006
John,
As Jerre points out, all dye sublimation substrates must have a receptive coating or polyester content.
The strong points of OEM toner, are in printing non-sublimatable substrates, i.e. wood, acrylic and glass.
EDITED: 3 Aug 2006 by DGL
From: pitbull107 [#20]
3 Aug 2006
To: Jerre (LAZAFFAIR) [#15] 3 Aug 2006
I have a Hp 4550 and would love to use the OEM toners to create some pressed metals or fabrics. Please advise your findings!
From: Jerre (LAZAFFAIR) [#21]
3 Aug 2006
To: pitbull107 [#20] 3 Aug 2006
From: pitbull107 [#22]
11 Aug 2006
To: ALL
Guess what happened? It wrapped itself around the drum and melted!
So, I think that my only option for this printer is sublimation cartridges and plain paper.
I would LOVE to know how anyone can get this printer to use ANY transfer paper with OEM toner.....
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#23]
11 Aug 2006
To: pitbull107 [#22] 11 Aug 2006
Aren't these failed attempts at running HG paper through your printer ruining your drum?
Or does the paper peel off, when cold, letting you use the printer again?
From: pitbull107 [#24]
11 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#23] 11 Aug 2006
Then after a few choice words, and a pair of scissors, I remove the paper.
Then, I re-plug the power, restart the printer, then run at least 2 sheets of REGULAR PAPER through the unit. This has safely removed the still "warm" residue left on the drum.
I know, I'm lucky....... 8->
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#25]
11 Aug 2006
To: pitbull107 [#24] 11 Aug 2006
That's a valuable tip, for those of us who are technicians.
I'm still confounded, as to how/why Jerre can run HG paper through his HP 4550.
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#26]
11 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#25] 11 Aug 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#27]
11 Aug 2006
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#26] 11 Aug 2006
So, what are the results?
Not talking about the bagels, etc. :-)
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#28]
11 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#27] 11 Aug 2006
From: John (ICTJOHN) [#29]
11 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#23] 11 Aug 2006
David,
I believe the paper was wrapped around the "Fuser" not the "Drum". The fuser is in the very back of the machine and is a large rubber/silicone roller that is very HOT. The coating on the roller helped allow the gummy mess from the transfer paper to come off easier. If it had wrapped around the "Imaging Drum" it would have been "Toast" and not the kind you can eat. The Imaging Drum is accessed via the front top drawer and is very sensitive to scratches & light (and is not hot).
I have only found a T-Shirt transfer paper to run thru the 4500/4550 besides plain paper. I get it from Jack at Alpha Supply, He would know of any other papers for that machine if they are available.
hth,
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