Full Version: Education Weekend - Austin, TX
From: jbrewer (JEANETTEBREWER) [#1]
10 Nov 2004
To: ALL
In response to one of David Takes' postings (in another thread), I thought I'd post the following info here. If your travel plans lead you to the lovely Hill Country of Texas in December, you might want to check out some of these clinics.
We've chosen our most popular seminars/clinics from the last several years and are "packaging" them all in one weekend (Dec. 2-4):
PhotoGrav & Your Laser (beginner, intermediate & avanced)
- Roy Brewer, CRM
CorelDraw for the R&I Industry (intermediate & advanced)
- Roy Brewer, CRM
Xenetech Users' Clinic (beginner, intermediate & advanced)
- Roy Brewer, CRM
LaserBits Laser Clinic
- Mike Fruciano
If you'd like more information, just let me know!
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#2]
12 Nov 2004
To: jbrewer (JEANETTEBREWER) [#1] 12 Nov 2004
Jeanette,
Continuing this "spinoff" of the ARA show discussion:
How do the combined "Beginner, intermediate, advanced" classes work?
Sounds like they're meant to include something for everyone. Is there potential of going over the beginner's head, or the advanced person feeling the class was "dumbed" down?
Beginners must come in all shapes, from someone who barely knows which side of the computer to stand on, to people with general computer experience?
What constitutes intermediate and advanced?
Of course, it depends on the individual, but generally speaking, do people come away from this type of class "loaded for bear" or is it a cumulative effect, where knowledge is gathered by attending a number of classes.
The burning question is, "How much substance can be packed into a couple hours, or days, of training?"
It's an overall question to our industry's educational movement.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#3]
12 Nov 2004
To: jbrewer (JEANETTEBREWER) [#1] 15 Nov 2004
Jeanette,
I apologize for putting you on the spot. The questions were rhetorical. No need to answer.
Good luck with the classes.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#4]
13 Nov 2004
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#2] 13 Nov 2004
David,
Before you let her off the hook, Jeanette had already assigned me to respond to your rhetorical questions.
This post is more of a confirmation than an answer.
As you suspect every single ARA seminar with over 50 people in it will have at least one that says "too advanced" and at least one that says "too basic."
For many of years we've put on "local" seminars because our clients continue to ask for them and we get good feedback as to their usefulness.
We build these eclectic seminars from the list of questions we receive on an ongoing basis *and* from looking over our clients shoulders on followup trips months or years after we have installed systems. Our viewpoint is "most often missed tips." But I should also say, that at about 1/2 of the tips we share are those we also learned looking over our client's shoulder. All of us have "stumbled" across some unique feature of a program by accident; I have the good fortune of seeing how people apply these to real jobs and then passing them on to others.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#5]
13 Nov 2004
To: Pedaler (ROYBREWER) [#4] 14 Nov 2004
Thank you Roy.
I'm a living testament to how people can benefit from your "over-the-shoulder" observations.
You've visited so many shops throughout your career that I don't expect you to remember the day you came to G&W Trophies, in No. Hollywood, CA (my alma mater). I believe you were a rep for Newing-Hall at the time.
Here's my recollection:
Sitting at the Newing-Hall machine, you asked me to create a layout. The first thing I did was blow out all the machine's default margins etc. I was never very pleased with the way autolayouts spaced lines etc.
I then quickly sketched proposed sizes of lines onto a piece of paper and used a calculator to establish my baselines.
You asked, "Why don't you let the machine do the work?" I said, "I don't like autolayouts."
You said (paraphrase), "Even if that's the case, you can let the machine create an overall layout, then tweak it to your liking."
It was one of those "DUHH?" moments, and one that's embarrassing to confess before the forum :-)
Thanks to your over-the-shoulder advice, I still have ultimate control over my layouts, but I'm saving a lot of time and paper :-)
Thanks again,
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA