Full Version: Old New Hermes
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10]
3 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#9] 3 Oct 2006
Do you have practice material? If not, I'd be willing to send some alum. and brass from my scrap pile.
From: UncleSteve [#11]
3 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#9] 3 Oct 2006
I just got my IL II today and I will be right behind you!! B-)
Lee Iacocca (sp), when he was chairman of Chrysler always said he "stands behind every car they build!" He wasn't stupid! He knew the kind of brakes they installed! >.<
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#12]
3 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10] 3 Oct 2006
Very kind of you but I have plenty of brass mistakes to practice on plus a lot of plastic. Some friends closed their business a few years ago and gave me a lot of engraving plastic.
I also have a boatload tools (lately unused) in my wood shop just begging to be engraved.
Thanks,
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#13]
3 Oct 2006
To: UncleSteve [#11] 3 Oct 2006
Congratulations on your acquisition. My engraver actually came from your neck of the woods in Dresher, PA from Bob Laird.
I have a xeroxed operating instruction book which lists a lot of models, I-L included. If you need a copy PM your address and I'll make a copy for you.
From: UncleSteve [#14]
3 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#13] 3 Oct 2006
For now I have Harvey as my "instruction book" but if you have some spare time I would appreciate it.
I have a 147 page general manual but not machine specific... more the history and basics of using a pantograph.
If you want a copy, it is in PDF format, it would be my pleasure to send you the file. Then we can both be totally confused!!! ;-)
Steve
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#15]
3 Oct 2006
To: UncleSteve [#14] 3 Oct 2006
That I would love to have. If you don't mind send it to this address and leave out the asterisk; *mn@stl-laser.com
Thanks very much.
From: UncleSteve [#16]
3 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#15] 3 Oct 2006
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#17]
3 Oct 2006
To: UncleSteve [#16] 3 Oct 2006
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#18]
3 Oct 2006
To: UncleSteve [#17] 3 Oct 2006
If you call Cross Pen Co. they'll send a jig free of charge.
(1-800-282-7677)
From: UncleSteve [#19]
3 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#18] 3 Oct 2006
Thanks, I already got 2 sets from them and gave one to Harvey for the store...... :D
Now I have to pick up my Zippo jigs.. :-)
And get a couple of metal bits... the ones that came with the machine are all for plastics.... and I need a burnisher and drag bit... the drag bits from the GM are the short ones and the machine didn't come with an adapter... just takes the 4" long bits.
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#20]
3 Oct 2006
To: UncleSteve [#19] 3 Oct 2006
From: rj (RANDYJOYCE) [#21]
3 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#1] 3 Oct 2006
We justified our first laser for making pantograph templates. Laser made templates have some differences from handcut or machined templates but if you want it to work it will.
We use Gorton pantographs but I would think you could use them with the New Hermes also.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#22]
3 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#20] 3 Oct 2006
$50 for a diamond spindle is a very good price. I think they were about $250 in the New Hermes catalogs of 10+ years ago.
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#23]
3 Oct 2006
To: ALL
Thank you for the remarks. What kind of plastic are you using for the templates?
David:
I thought it might be a good price although I don't believe it is a new piece. To be honest he gave me so much stuff with this pantograph I haven't figured out what some it is. He also gave me some new cutters but said I would have to buy several more depending on what I was engraving.
From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#24]
4 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#7] 4 Oct 2006
I believe Bob Laird was born into this business. I don't know in what capacity but his father was in this business before him and I am guessing Bob is in his 60s. He is a very nice man.
A couple of years ago a friend of ours was moving and was going to throw away a couple of motorized pantographs complete with fonts. Rather than her throw them away I asked if she would be willing to give them to Bob. She gave them to us and Bob picked them up. I thought that was the end of that. I was very surprised when he showed up at our store, a 2 hour drive for him, a couple of months later and handed me an envelope and asked that I pass it on to her. He had sold the machines and was paying her for them. He said he had made money on what she gave him and he felt she should make money also. As I said, he is a very nice man.
Dee
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#25]
4 Oct 2006
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#24] 4 Oct 2006
We both drove to Pittsburgh with the understanding that if I didn't like the machine it was no sale.
I didn't really get a thorough look at the machine but all the stuff he brought along convinced me that it was complete and that it worked.
I just unloaded it today and it is better than I thought.
So dealing with Bob Laird has been a good experience.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#26]
4 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#23] 4 Oct 2006
Did you get the cones that you'll need for cylindrical work?
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#27]
4 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#26] 4 Oct 2006
There are 4 cones, each a somewhat different size, There is a jig for holding trays like the one I saw in one of your tutorials and there are several other jigs and holders. As soon as I get it set up I'll send along a picture so you can see if something important (besides skill) is missing.
From: Tom Franklin (FLEA) [#28]
4 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#27] 4 Oct 2006
Hi,
There is no better person on earth, not just our industry, than Bob Laird. Yes, he was born into the business as his father, R.H. Laird II, was the New Hermes representative. Bob grew up in the business and following graduation from the Wharton School at Penn, went full time into the business. He stayed with New Hermes until he went with Dahlgren and now with Nash Ind. and Vision Systems. No one gives better service. One can learn more at: http://www.lairdequipment.com/
My guess is that you received much more value than he received in money. Bet you also made a lifetime friend and you got to meet ANDY!!, and that makes everyone's day.
Most sincerely,
Tom
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#29]
4 Oct 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#27] 4 Oct 2006
Mike,
Sounds like you're well-equipped.
One benefit of using a pantograph, is that, if/when you decide to move up to a computerized system, you'll quite literally have a "feel" for feed rates, according to the various cutters and substrates you'll encounter.
It also kind of comforting, in a way, to do manual diamond-drag engraving. It's silent, and the act of manually controlling the motion and depth of the engraving will make you feel like an old world artisan. :-)
EDITED: 4 Oct 2006 by DGL
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