Full Version: Rowmark's New Metalgraph
From: UncleSteve [#3]
10 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#2] 10 Oct 2006
Specifications
Material: Modified Impact Acrylic
Finish: Brushed
Sheet Size: 24" x 48" (610 x 1219mm)
Thickness 1-Ply: NONE
Thickness 2-Ply: 1/16" (1.6mm)
Use MP22 as first digits of the item code.
1/8" (3.2mm)
Use MP942 as first digits of the item code.
Thickness 3-Ply: NONE
Usage: Interior signage
Exterior signage
Personal identification
Industrial tags
Trophies and Awards
Photo Laser Engraving
Engraving Method: Laser
Rotating carbide
Router
Cutting Depth: .003" (.08mm)
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#4]
10 Oct 2006
To: UncleSteve [#3] 10 Oct 2006
Sometimes, even though a core color can be listed as black, a dark gray is the reality.
Also, a laser may produce a different color than rotary engraving.
I haven't seen the material in-person yet.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#5]
10 Oct 2006
To: oneputt (NOUNOES) 10 Oct 2006
From the specs, Metalgraph sounds like an exciting new product.
Any encouraging words of advice for Larry?
From: LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) [#6]
10 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#2] 10 Oct 2006
yes, it is supposeably both laser and rotary material. I spoke with Rowmark today after they received my sample and they agreed with me. They suggested I laser a second time out of focus which we did and still the same results. They were going to send it to their quality control people as they could not get good results either. I purchased 15 half sheets to start but am going to have to return. Its a great idea but does not work as stated.
We are still looking for an exterior material in gold with black core.Any suggestions??
Larry
From: oneputt (NOUNOES) [#7]
10 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#5] 10 Oct 2006
I am sorry but I am out of the loop on this one. I am working for the custom division of Rowmark and this is a new product that I am not up to speed on. I have to defer to my associates. My suggestion is you speak to our Customer Service Department, they will follow through and work to resolve any concerns.
Phil
From: ABH (BACHI) [#8]
10 Oct 2006
To: oneputt (NOUNOES) [#7] 11 Oct 2006
I ordered samples of the multigraph and metalgraph material and received them a few days ago.
I was trying to engrave all the colors and realized that when i removed the protective covering from the multigraph yellow/black, the yellow color came off with the protective plastic. I would say that 75% of the yellow came off.
I called Rowmark to inform them about this problem.
I was told that probably the sample I got was sealed with the protective plastic before the yellow die had a chance to cure.
draw your conclusions.
Abdul
From: logojohn [#9]
10 Oct 2006
To: LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) [#6] 11 Oct 2006
The outdoor vintage gold is not a laserable material but it can be lasered.
It may require more than one pass to get through the thick cap but that is a good thing if you want to use it outside. We sell a lot for outdoor to people who don't want to pay metal cast bronze prices.
For larger signs the 1/8 thick is better if you are using screws or lawn stakes for mounting since it is more rigid. Also the thicker can be lasered at higher power without warping due to the heat. Most places don't stock it but can special order it in 1/8
completed sample
rowmark page
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10]
10 Oct 2006
To: LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) [#6] 11 Oct 2006
Larry,
My suggestion would be to route (rotary engrave) and color-fill the material.
Durability of the outdoor gold, with a jet black image.
I've seen traditional Metallex, Metalply etc. (indoor) material, routed and color-filled.
My well-trained eye was fooled into thinking the material was actual brass. The sign was in the Gene Autry museum in L.A.
Of course, being an engraver, I was probably paying more attention to the signage, than the exhibits. :-)
EDITED: 10 Oct 2006 by DGL
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11]
10 Oct 2006
To: oneputt (NOUNOES) [#7] 11 Oct 2006
Looks like Larry has been in touch with Rowmark.
Any custom materials coming down the pike, that you can talk about, without divulging company secrets. :-)
From: gt350ed [#12]
10 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11] 11 Oct 2006
From: Peter [#13]
10 Oct 2006
To: ALL
the colour packs are sensational, the marketing is full on......
But in reality the product is shizenhausen...is this correct ?
Peter
From: UncleSteve [#14]
10 Oct 2006
To: Peter [#13] 10 Oct 2006
From: Peter [#15]
10 Oct 2006
To: UncleSteve [#14] 10 Oct 2006
:D
:P
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#16]
11 Oct 2006
To: gt350ed [#12] 11 Oct 2006
Looking forward to your observations.
Maybe even run some through your rotary machine. :-)
From: gt350ed [#17]
11 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#16] 11 Oct 2006
By the way, he's turned me on to Panterials. I'll be in touch with them soon. I'm aware that you do business with them.
Thanks.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#18]
11 Oct 2006
To: gt350ed [#17] 11 Oct 2006
I'm glad to hear you're getting some help with your rotary/drag machine.
Opens up a whole new world of possibilities.
Yeah, I'm a Panterials customer. Mark Berlant and his sister Karen, are the owners.
Their (dearly departed) father was involved with New Hermes, as was Mark, until Mark founded Panterials.
Very nice folks. They'll treat you right. :-)
From: gt350ed [#19]
11 Oct 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#18] 11 Oct 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#20]
11 Oct 2006
To: gt350ed [#19] 11 Oct 2006
My offer has no expiration date. Any chance to visit with you and Sharon is a treat. :-)
From: BrianC (INKSQUIRTER) [#21]
11 Oct 2006
To: ALL
I just received my first test sheet today.
I lasered some test swatches with my ULS 30w with different settings. I also rotary engraved a piece.
Like most gold foils I've tried in the past it depends on how the light reflects whether the lettering is black or kinda milky black. When I hold the piece so the room light is highly reflected the lettering is jet black, otherwise, not very flattering. Didn't matter if it was laser or rotary engraved, the results are the same for me.
Maybe more testing is in order....
BTW, I used the Brushed Antique Gold/Black
EDITED: 11 Oct 2006 by INKSQUIRTER
From: LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) [#22]
12 Oct 2006
To: logojohn [#9] 13 Oct 2006
Hi ,
I purchased the vintage gold per your recomendation.
We are on our third pass with the laser and still not clean. What do you recomend we run it at and how many passes.
We have a 40 watt unit.
Larry