Full Version: Kiln Fired Decal Systems
From: Geezer (ERNIE) [#4]
17 Oct 2006
To: Ron (MANWILRC) [#2] 17 Oct 2006
Ron
"custom tableware"
Does the tableware meet "food safe" requirements?
How well do your decals duplicate "flesh tones"?
When will we see a pricing schedule for decals?
Will you be providing "firing schedules" as part of the training?
What's the cost of a system?
What's the cost of consumables?
Ernie
From: Ron (MANWILRC) [#5]
17 Oct 2006
To: ALL
Print resolution is 600 dpi which is 2x (min) the resolution of Cromalin Art and screen printed ceramic decals.
Ron
From: Ron (MANWILRC) [#6]
17 Oct 2006
To: ALL
Yes decorated tableware meets FDA food safety standards depending on the whiteware used. The combination has to be tested so if you go into this I can offer advice on what we've tested and what you would need to test if you have a particular whiteware you want to use.
Our primary color target for most of the last three years has been flesh tones so we have very good color calibrations for that and the system delivers excellent flesh tones.
If you have an interest in purchasing a system I will be happy to send you a proposal based on your particular situation. Let's take that conversation off line.
We still make decals for firing on porcelain but we do not make decals for "low fire" ceramic bisque used in a paint your own pottery studio. But, making decals is not something I want to do in volume. If you have a specific requirement and need help I am happy to oblige but I do not want to be in that business as a commercial supplier.
Consumables cost about 3 cents per square inch of printed decal which includes toner, decal paper and transfer film. Your decal cost to decorate a 6 x 6 tile is about $1.00 or about the same as the cost of the tile.
Ron
From: spudislander (WILLM) [#7]
18 Oct 2006
To: Ron (MANWILRC) [#6] 18 Oct 2006
Hi Ron,
I was in contact with you and several competitors a couple of years ago regarding the system. Our conclusion at that time was that the technology was still in its infancy. The samples we received (2 years ago from several suppliers) showed poor colour correction and gamut. It is exciting to hear about some of the advancements that have been made.
I have a few questions that I hope you can answer here.
Has the gamut been improved to the point where accurate colour rendition with an approriate ICC profile is accomplishable?
Can you post a tile imaged with one of the industry test photos for comparison?
Is the technology capable of producing decals for firing onto glass?
What print systems are now being used and what maintenance issues and longevity can be expected at what volumes of printing?
Thanks,
Will Mallette
From: Ron (MANWILRC) [#8]
18 Oct 2006
To: spudislander (WILLM) [#7] 19 Oct 2006
Greetings Will! I suspect you have more questions than this. It is always easier to discuss in person so please feel free to call me and we can explore all of this in great detail 303-278-8868. The chemistry improvements are as significant as the equipment improvements. Short answers to your questions -
Yes
The digital rendition on your computer screen won't tell you what you want to know. The answer is that the total CMYK color pallette is printable and controllable. There is also a CR(red)YK color set that gives deep reds but is not food safe. We use both systems in house.
Yes but I cannot endorse it simply because I do not use it and have no experience with it.
Several are available but I sell the Canon CLC 1120, 1140 or 1180 printer. They are designed for 500,000+ copies and are very robust, reliable and durable. It also doubled the print resolution. That upgrade solved essentially all of the problems we encountered early on with the 900 series that we started with. After much experimentation we ultimately became quite happy with the 900 but most of those who tried that printer failed. We will teach you the preventive maintenance that will keep the system working for many years. It is unlikely you will "out-distance" the equipment.
Please feel free to call me. We haven't spoken in a while!
Ron