Full Version: Ah....POLITICS
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#41]
7 Nov 2006
To: Carl (CSEWELL) [#40] 7 Nov 2006
From: LipChip [#42]
7 Nov 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#38] 7 Nov 2006
From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#43]
7 Nov 2006
To: UncleSteve [#39] 7 Nov 2006
Steven,
Just to make your morning... if something were to happen to George & Dick, Nancy Pelosi would be President. (devil)
Dee
From: UncleSteve [#44]
7 Nov 2006
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#43] 8 Nov 2006
That's MOURNING, not morning! :'-(
At least Lieberman won in CT and Hillary will be going back to Washington thus freeing up Bill's social life again in Chappaqua.
"We had a nukular meltdown!", Dubya Bush
From: bobkat [#45]
8 Nov 2006
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#43] 8 Nov 2006
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#46]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#45] 8 Nov 2006
When I went to vote they had about 6 electronic machines and 3 old fashioned paper ballot stands. There was a bit of a line at the electronic machines but none for the paper version.
My strategy this time was to "vote the bums out". I didn't succeed but I think I got about half of them.
From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#47]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#45] 8 Nov 2006
Sorry to make you barf but... I am jumping for joy. I am a "bleeding heart liberal" to quote my rather but not totally, conservative husband.
BTW I am thrilled that Lieberman won. Not that I particularly agree with his politics but because he bucked the system and won. This country needs people who vote with their hearts and not the parties.
BTW our ex marine son voted a democratic line because he can't handle a war that he sees as having no leadership. He does not believe the troops on the ground are being given the support they need by to do the job right.
Dee
From: bobkat [#48]
8 Nov 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#46] 8 Nov 2006
This will help you get your facts straight: http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp
We deserve the stupid government we get.
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#49]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#48] 8 Nov 2006
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30631.pdf
From: bobkat [#50]
8 Nov 2006
To: Mike (MIKEN) [#49] 8 Nov 2006
From: bobkat [#51]
8 Nov 2006
To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#47] 8 Nov 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#52]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#51] 8 Nov 2006
Bobkat,
Therein lies the problem. As an independent, I voted for some Democrats and some Republicans, based on their qualifications.
The tribe has spoken and what I and many others heard, is that the struggle of Red vs. Blue has overshadowed the Red White and Blue, which we're all solidly behind.
How about these people, regardless of party, take some time to do their jobs, which should be dealing with issues, based on the wishes of their constituency?
EDITED: 8 Nov 2006 by DGL
From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY) [#53]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#51] 8 Nov 2006
I have to go to work so I will reply to you later.
Dee
From: bobkat [#54]
8 Nov 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#52] 8 Nov 2006
I'm all for that. The only way that will ever happen is to get rid of them all and start over, with term limits and other controls so they can't take over and ignore us like they do now.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#55]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#54] 8 Nov 2006
Not really directed at you, Bobkat since you see the point already.
Learning from history we see that any institution over 100 years old has one thing in common, It has been altered in a way that keeps the people at the top, staying at the top.
How they managed to pass a term limit for the President is a mystery, now if we could only follow through with the others. We might lose a few good ones, but only a small percentage fall into that category.
From: bobkat [#56]
8 Nov 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#55] 8 Nov 2006
Everybody claims to be so angry, disgusted...(insert your own word here), about how our government doesn't represent us. But very few people are willing to really do anything about it. Why don't we all join together and say this is what we want, and then get rid of anyone who doesn't vote for it.
1. We want affordable health care, border security, whatever the issue, and if we don't get it, we will elect someone who will get the job done.
2. Every issue brought before Congress gets a vote; yes or no, no crap burried in a 2500 page bill that nobody reads. No hidden porkbarrel spending, every vote is public record and transparent.
3. Term limits for everyone in Congress; no professional politicians, no "good old boy" networks to get in the way of doing the people's business. No "special interest" contributions. Anyone not voting for term limits, just signed their own term limit, since they will be gone in the next election.
4. Campaign finance reform. Why is it worth millions to get a job that pays thousands? Hmmmm....
I'm sure all of my suggestions will be studied and lost in committee for years and never come to the light of day; but guess what, all of the committee members would be looking for new jobs come next election....
This country is headed down the drain, and there are a whole lot of people who can't wait for it to get there.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#57]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#56] 8 Nov 2006
The way I see it....The Dems Gave the "new" minority a great lesson in how to stifle the progress of the majority......
I figure we have an endless future of the government costing us loads and getting nothing done......... And yeah I'm probably a more optomistic person than most......
Frankly I'm disgusted with both parties. For the Republicans for letting the minority define their direction as a majority, and the Dems for dirty politcs that stifled progress............They all deserve each other....Unfortunately we the people all seem to be the real losers.
Get ready for a higher cost of living and higher interest rates....The tax man cometh.....................
Praying for a "real" old school, fiscal conservative presidential candidate of the future..........
From: Dave (MT_DAVE) [#58]
8 Nov 2006
To: bobkat [#51] 8 Nov 2006
From: GBengraver [#59]
8 Nov 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#57] 8 Nov 2006
Dems dirty politics?
For the Republicans for letting the minority define their direction as a majority
What do you mean?
The majority of the people spoke yesterday. And what they said was very clear.
The indisputable truth is that the people spoke loud and clear yesterday and they said that the status quo is no longer acceptable.
The unchecked spending, no accountability, the corruption, the lies, the boondoggle in Iraq.
We have a $460 Billion dollar defense budget and we can't even outfit our soldiers with adequet body armour.
WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING???
The party of "less government" is a sham.
Your party line rhetoric about taxes, cost of living, "we are winning the war" etc. has worn thin with the voters on both sides.
At some point the over $8.5 TRILLION dollar debt has to be paid.
How are you going to pay for it??
That is a debt that has risen by over $3 TRILLION dollars since the "fiscally responsible" party took control in 2000.
How about allowing oil companies to gouge us under the guise of "free markets doing what comes natural" at a time of war and making obscene profits while forcing the elderly and poor to make choices between eating and staying warm. Party of morals. Bah.
If you want to talk about the "party of values and morals" we could discuss the Tom Delays, Bob Neys, "Duke" Cunninghams, Mark Foleys, etc., etc., etc.
Cutting taxes during wartime, so that the middle class are the only ones making sacrifices (unlike WWII when all Americans were asked to sacrifice).
And Bill Clinton who left a budget surplus when he left office gets impeached for lying about a b**w job.
Wake up and smell your own party, it stinks.
Today is a good day.
Greg
EDITED: 8 Nov 2006 by GBENGRAVER
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#60]
8 Nov 2006
To: GBengraver [#59] 8 Nov 2006
I think this post will be non-controversial.
Both parties stink.
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