Full Version: Hand Engraving Spoons
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#4]
15 Dec 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#1] 15 Dec 2006
These days, with so much computerized equipment on the scene, some people, (even within our industry), refer to pantograph engraving as "hand" engraving, simply because we use our hands to control the machine's actions.
An actual demonstration of hand engraving, is shown on our home page. The photo was provided by master engraver, Ron Huntington.
To answer your original question, engraving inside/outside of a spoon's bowl, is a task your New Hermes machine is up to.
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#5]
15 Dec 2006
To: ALL
David and Harvey,
Soooooo much to learn so little time. I'll have to call her back and get more info. It confuses me a little though. On the laser we deal with depth of field and adjust the focus to adapt to a reange or depth of field which will be in focus. On the engraver you have a straight shaft coming down into an arc or onto an arc, depending on which side of bowl you are trying on. I assume then that there is a limit to the number of letters you can do as you approach the edge of the bowl and the angle between the arc on the tool becomes too great.
I'll have to put the changing colors on my learn to do list now and I'll call the customer back. I'll have to confirm it but I think the spoons are not replaceable and that really concerned me.
Thanks!
Jim
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#6]
15 Dec 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#5] 15 Dec 2006
To test the engravable area of a spoon, put a couple layers of Scotch tape over the piece, loosen the cutter head (brass knob) and lightly engrave the image.
Too far up the side (inside) of the bowl, or too far over the curve of the back and the tip of the diamond graver won't be perpendicular enough to work its magic.
EDITED: 15 Dec 2006 by DGL
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#7]
15 Dec 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#6] 15 Dec 2006
David,
I used your tape method on the $ shaped moneyclip and it worked grrrrrreat. If I can get hold of the spoon lady, I will definitely use the tape. The moneyclip came out great but for only my 2nd mechanical paying order it was a beast front and back. For you guys it would have been a walk in the park or a day at the beach but I sweated it until I was done. The cust loved it so I'm happy now.
Jim
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8]
15 Dec 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#7] 15 Dec 2006
Lovin' that update on the money clip. The more you do, the easier they get and the more money that goes into your personal money clip. :-)
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#9]
15 Dec 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8] 15 Dec 2006
David,
Found the lady with the spoons, she found a jewler yesterday who thinks he can do them so I screwed that one up. Will take some spoons from the drawer and practice, good opp to learn something new.
Thanks to all!
Jim
From: Ed (EBERTRAND) [#10]
15 Dec 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#7] 15 Dec 2006
Jim
An investment in a pen writer from Q1 will save you
lots of sweat. Gravograph also has one and I think
the one Q1 is longer and you can set it up just as you
do your drag cutter.
I just put a piece of scotch Magic tape on the item
I'm going to engrave and write on it with the pen
writer. If every thing looks good put in the diamond
set the pressure. Engrave
Sure works great for jewelry items, we do the engraving
for 3 different jewelry stores.
Ed
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#11]
15 Dec 2006
To: Ed (EBERTRAND) [#10] 16 Dec 2006
Ed,
Thanks for the info! I hate showing my greenness but I seem to be pretty good at it and we all have to be good at something or we wouldn't be here. What is Q1?
Thanks,
Jim
From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#12]
15 Dec 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#11] 15 Dec 2006
I believe it is:
http://www.q1engravers.com
From: PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) [#13]
15 Dec 2006
To: Ed (EBERTRAND) [#10] 16 Dec 2006
EDITED: 15 Dec 2006 by PENINSULATROPHY
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#14]
15 Dec 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#12] 16 Dec 2006
Q1engravers it is! Thanks! I had done a search on Q1 and on QualityOne and on Engravers but not in the right combination.
Jim
EDITED: 15 Dec 2006 by JUSTTHE4OFUS
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#15]
15 Dec 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#14] 20 Dec 2006
Jim,
I use the Q1 Penwriter (whatever it's named). It's a great little tool. There are the other economy methods mentioned above that work just fine in a pinch. I'd just mention to your wife that it would make for a nice stocking stuffer. :D
EDITED: 15 Dec 2006 by DATAKES
From: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#16]
20 Dec 2006
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#15] 20 Dec 2006
Dave,
I ordered abunch of stuff from Q1 including the penwriter. I hear from someone else the pen thigies break a lot but will give it a try anyhow. If I was using a pen today instead of the real graver, I would not be looking for a jeweler to fix my inadvertent engrave.
I wonder if anyone has used their Heated Pen Foil Marking? It sounds interesting.
Thanks!
Jim
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#17]
20 Dec 2006
To: JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) [#16] 20 Dec 2006
Jim,
I use my Q1 Penwriter almost daily. It's 6 years old, but as good as new. If it ever does break, it will not be from product defect, but from operator error.
I know that John Stangle purchased and has used the Heated Pen Fol Marker. He indicated that it did a decent job with regular text, but larger fill areas generated very mixed results. He said he still hasn't used it much.
Back to work. Christmas deadlines calling! :-) :-) :-) :-)
From: geebeau [#18]
20 Dec 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#3] 20 Dec 2006
I have the IS400 also.. You mentioned changing the color of letters that didn't engrave and then just engraving those...
Didn't know anything about that... would you be able to further explain that point? Thanks much ...
Right now I just re-engrave the whole line if something misses...
Best,
Steve
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#19]
20 Dec 2006
To: geebeau [#18] 21 Dec 2006
On the left hand toolbar is an icon with three color squares right near the bottom of the bar. Click on that, it is the tool selection and setup pop-up.
First highlight the letters, then double click on the color to change it. You have to then select 'Properties' and set it up as another bit, making sure you set the depth and on the other tab set the motor and the bottom icon which is pause to change tools. Why it defaults to 0.000 depth and not to pause when you set up another tool is beyond me.
This is in Gravostyle98, not sure if it is there in the other Gravostyle versions.
From: geebeau [#20]
21 Dec 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#19] 23 Dec 2006
Thanks.. I'll have to try it next time I "fazool" a line.
Steve