Full Version: Cermark on Glass, I love it
From: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#1]
15 Jan 2007
To: JHayes55 15 Jan 2007
EDITED: 15 Jan 2007 by DGL
From: UncleSteve [#2]
15 Jan 2007
To: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#1] 15 Jan 2007
Please keep us updated as to washability of the finished glass.....
From: Jer (DIAMOND) [#3]
15 Jan 2007
To: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#1] 15 Jan 2007
From: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#4]
15 Jan 2007
To: Jer (DIAMOND) [#3] 15 Jan 2007
From: Jer (DIAMOND) [#5]
15 Jan 2007
To: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#4] 15 Jan 2007
From: JHayes55 [#6]
15 Jan 2007
To: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#1] 15 Jan 2007
From: Sam (SAMC11) [#7]
15 Jan 2007
To: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#1] 16 Jan 2007
What would the settings for a 25 watt Co2 laser be?
Samc
From: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#8]
16 Jan 2007
To: Sam (SAMC11) [#7] 16 Jan 2007
They say to multiply whatever your laser watt size, in your case 25, by .7 and that is your speed setting. Your power setting is always 100%. So your settings would be speed 17.5 and power 100%.
Thanks
From: Vicky (ANDERI) [#9]
17 Jan 2007
To: ALL
Just received my first shipments of Cermark - one for glass and one for metal. After reading the MSDS sheets, I'm beginning to doubt my common sense in ever agreeing to use this stuff. 8-O According to these sheets, one nanosecond of exposure will result in an immediate an gruesome death. Oh, and they didn't come with any instructions for use. Just a teeny weeny label on the jar - seriously, I need a magnifying glass to read it - that says "Warning! This stuff'll kill ya!" (OK, so I paraphrased a little ;-) ).
Good thing there are boards like this to help me learn how to use the stuff, once I've donned my hazmat suit and gathered up enough courage to open the jar. :O)
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10]
17 Jan 2007
To: Vicky (ANDERI) [#9] 17 Jan 2007
Vicky,
I realize you're paraphrasing, but exposure in what way? Breathing fumes, either in its raw state or heated? Physical contact?
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From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#11]
17 Jan 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10] 17 Jan 2007
Dave,
Vicky's paraphrasing reminds me of the first container of CerMark I received several yeras ago. The MSDS inflicted so much fear in me that I called the supplier to see what other precautions and ventilation masks they recommended. It is frightening when you read it.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12]
17 Jan 2007
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#11] 17 Jan 2007
David,
If not substantial, what is the potential risk and under what conditions?
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From: Tom (TJGEENEN) [#13]
17 Jan 2007
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From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#14]
17 Jan 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12] 17 Jan 2007
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15]
17 Jan 2007
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#14] 17 Jan 2007
Thank you David.
Here's the crux:
PRINCIPLE ROUTES OF EXPOSURE: Inhalation, ingestion and dermal.
The key immediate hazards are:
Flammable Liquid
Skin, eye, and respiratory irritant.
Harmful if swallowed or inhaled.
Harmful if swallowed.
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From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#16]
17 Jan 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#15] 17 Jan 2007
All of those could apply to the alcohol content. If it is not ethanol, (probably methanol), those are all hazards. Methanol, also known as wood alcohol or denatured alcohol. LM-6000 contains Methanol Alcohol.
The LMC-12 for glass seems fairly mild in the MSDS sheet. Just do not eat it.
The LM-6000 needs not to be breathed in when in the particulate state as well as not eaten. A good paint mask would be advisable when spraying this material as interpreted from the MSDS sheet. (I wonder what the Pam cooking spray MSDS sheet would look like.)
From: Vicky (ANDERI) [#17]
17 Jan 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10] 17 Jan 2007
According to the MSDS:
- Crystalline silica is a known carcinogen.
- Molubdenum compound(s) can be toxic if swallowed or inhaled.
- Denatured alcohol can cause liver toxicity and can have similar effects to drinking too much (not that any of us know what that's all about >.< ).
- Vanadium compound(s) are highly toxic by inhalation and ingestion.
- Methanol can also cause a slew of issues if ingested or inhaled for a prolonged period.
I know, I'm overreacting. :-$ Having dealt with cancer once in this household in the past year, I'd rather avoid it a second time if at all possible. So, we'll keep these little jars closed until we can get some gloves, a paint mask and possibly a paint booth set up somewhere. Hubby's been wanting one for a while anyway. This'll give him an excuse. ;-)
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#18]
17 Jan 2007
To: Vicky (ANDERI) [#17] 17 Jan 2007
That is why I suggested the paint mask, keep most of the particles out of your lungs and mouth.
Unless you are really sensitive to it or drink it, methanol is in a lot of things and causes no problems. If you buy any alcohol items that are not taxed as liquor it contains some methanol to prevent you from being able to drink it. (That is the 'denatured' in denatured alcohol.)
Yep, the government says if you try to drink this so you do not have to pay taxes we will poison you.
From: John (ICTJOHN) [#19]
30 Jan 2007
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#16] 31 Jan 2007
OK, so it is late and I just had to see..........
I'm surprised, the only bad things listed were because of the Pressure in the can (Nitrous Oxide) & ethanol. Just don't sniff it in large quantities or you'll laugh your butt off! :'D
From: JHayes55 [#20]
30 Jan 2007
To: John (ICTJOHN) [#19] 31 Jan 2007
Ok - if I sniff enough can I laugh and power my car at the same time? :P
And to think - we spray this stuff on pots and pans that we cook our food in! 8-O
EDITED: 30 Jan 2007 by JHAYES55
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