Full Version: E-BAY Scams

From: john (LILB93) [#1]
 6 Feb 2007
To: ALL

There is an Epilog laser on e-bay item #120083838616 it sure looks like a scam to me.

EDITED: 6 Feb 2007 by HARVEY-ONLY


From: Luke (STONECANVAS) [#2]
 6 Feb 2007
To: john (LILB93) [#1] 6 Feb 2007

It doesn't fit the standard scam profile for lasers (mostly Epilog) on eBay but this one was listed a few months ago (same description but different seller id) and I seem to remember that it sold - so - I would ask questions before bidding!

From: Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE) [#3]
 6 Feb 2007
To: john (LILB93) [#1] 6 Feb 2007

I just sent him a message asking for a picture of the serial number plate - I doubt I'll hear from him and if I do it will be some excuse why he can't send it... then again, I could be wrong.

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#4]
 6 Feb 2007
To: Luke (STONECANVAS) [#2] 6 Feb 2007

Some other observations:

The seller has a feedback rating of zero.
The seller joined ebay the day before the auction. (starting an auction for a $1 book light that day)

The other one with the exact same description sold in November. It had a seller with a feedback rating of zero, who joined ebay the same day as the auction started, and is no longer registered with ebay. Once you sign up as a seller, you either have to specifically ask to become unregistered, or pull a scam.

The one in November was listed as being in San Jacinto, CA. This one is listed as being in San Jose, NM.


From: Luke (STONECANVAS) [#5]
 6 Feb 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#4] 6 Feb 2007

Yup! probably a scam. I got tired of reporting all those epilog off-lease scams to eBay - they don't seem to give a crap about stopping the scammers.

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#6]
 6 Feb 2007
To: Luke (STONECANVAS) [#5] Unread

Well, remember that ebay does get a couple hundred thousand new listings every day. It would be hard to keep up with all the potential scams.

From: Cha (PAGESEW) [#7]
 7 Feb 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#6] 7 Feb 2007

I thought that now when you listed big budgeted items that you were supposed to include the date and the business/your name on a sheet of paper in one of the pictures to prove that it wasn't a scam. So that people couldn't reuse your picture later to do scam auctions.

Maybe you could ask for a picture of that as well as the serial number.

I hate having a feedback of zero for this account, it worries me that people think I'm a scammer trying to sell larger machines with no previous sales, when the truth of the matter is just that my boss is ebay illiterate and never tried to list anything until I came around.


From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#8]
 15 Feb 2007
To: ALL

They're back.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250083568653

Same description as last time. New seller, new location. This seller is also a zero feedback seller who joined 3 days before the auction started.

This time instead of San Jacinto, CA or San Jose, NM this one says they are in Mocksville, NC

From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#9]
 15 Feb 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#8] 15 Feb 2007

It sure has plenty of dust and signs of use for such an IMMACULATE machine. :-)

From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#10]
 15 Feb 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#8] 15 Feb 2007

Dave,

I asked the seller a couple of questions which included the serial number and date of manufature. These should match the records that Epilog has on this machine. I doubt he'll be able to come up with anything legit.


From: Boz (CHEDDARHEAD) [#11]
 15 Feb 2007
To: ALL

I asked them similar questions. Here is the response.

hello,

the model number:6000/35Laser Engraver and date of manufacture is June/2000,so you can check all your details on their web-site.
i look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

EDITED: 15 Feb 2007 by CHEDDARHEAD


From: jeanettebrewer (JEANETTEBREWER2) [#12]
 15 Feb 2007
To: Boz (CHEDDARHEAD) [#11] 15 Feb 2007

Helpful fellow, huh?

From: john (LILB93) [#13]
 15 Feb 2007
To: jeanettebrewer (JEANETTEBREWER2) [#12] 15 Feb 2007

I just bid 125,450.00 I think I might win it?? It will keep some poor person getting scammed.

From: UncleSteve [#14]
 15 Feb 2007
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#10] 15 Feb 2007

Did you ask if it was available for pick-up to save on the shipping?

That will also usually flush out a phony....

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#15]
 16 Feb 2007
To: UncleSteve [#14] 16 Feb 2007

Better yet, ask if you can go inspect it before the auction ends.

People that actually have an item like that would probably not object. But scammers would.


From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#16]
 16 Feb 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#15] 16 Feb 2007

Dave,

Below is the response I got from the seller.

--------------------------------------
hello,

the model number:6000/35Laser Engraver and date of manufacture is June/2000.
I am recently relocated in Dallas,TX with my work so this is where the item will be shipped from.if you are interested,i can make you a buy it now price with shipping included.i will cover all the shipping fees to your zip.I will ship thru a 3rd party service so we will be both protected and insured.
I look forward to hearing from you.

----------------------------------------------

He really set himself up for a fall. I have a sister who lives in the Dallas area. I asked him if I could have her stop by to take a look at it. I'll share his response, if I get one.

EDITED: 16 Feb 2007 by DATAKES


From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#17]
 16 Feb 2007
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#16] 16 Feb 2007

Oh boy!

Looking forward to that exchange. Of course, the machine will have been sold to another person, just before she made arrangements to drop by. (devil)

From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#18]
 16 Feb 2007
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#16] 16 Feb 2007

Why do I have the feeling that this guy is actually located in Nigeria? 8-O

From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#19]
 16 Feb 2007
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#18] 17 Feb 2007

Here is his prompt response.

hello,

yes,of course,but i`m in vacation right now.i will let you know in about 2 days,if that`s ok with you.ok?
i look forward to hearing from you.


He may be going from "in vacation" to "in jail" if I have anything to say about it. I will qualify that by saying that he is innocent until proven guilty. So far, he has done nothing but list an item on eBay just like the rest of us.

EDITED: 16 Feb 2007 by DATAKES


From: Chewbarka [#20]
 18 Feb 2007
To: john (LILB93) [#13] 18 Feb 2007

I just kicked the bid to 100K! What a scam. Here is what E-Bay said:
Dear Frank,

Thank you for writing eBay in regards to the problem you are
experiencing. I recognize your frustration and want to quickly and
responsively address your concerns. As an eBay member myself, I can
relate to this type of situation. Your concerns are very important to
me
and I hope to help you resolve it as fast as possible.

First, I would like you to know that I appreciate you trying to make
eBay a safer place to trade. From the looks of your 99.9% feedback
score, I can see that you are an outstanding eBay member. Frank, if a
member violates eBay policy, we will investigate the situation and take
appropriate action, including issuing a warning, suspending an account
temporarily or indefinitely, or terminating the membership. However, to
protect the privacy of all members, we can't disclose information on
another member's account, and we can't provide the details of our
investigation.

Frank, I understand the frustration regarding this matter and apologize
for the inconvenience it caused you.

Sincerely,
Dylan


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