Full Version: EARLY Political Straw Poll
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#18]
14 Feb 2007
To: Cody (BOBTNAILER) [#16] 14 Feb 2007
Giulioni's leadership goes a long way for me, but I take issue with some of his core values that shift him to the left (abortion for one).......I think he may be a hard guy to beat however, because I know many left of the aisle that like him because of his core value shift...I'm just not sure he represents the party base. I see him as a front runner at this point, but it would be nice to see more choices. It's extremely early to be calling winners.....
McCain is to the Republicans to what Lieberman must be to the Democrats. A black sheep gone astray........I have no trust in him doing the "right thing" for people with my core values. These two should run together and pick up all the moderates as an alternative party ;)
Hillary is a deep rooted liberal in a moderates clothing .......Obamma has an extremely liberal voting record, even though both of them are aiming towards the center to gain voters.
Far too early to tell....although I see Guilioni as the head of the pack for leadership and ability to pick up the moderate voter. It all depends on if the Grand Old Party will get behind him or not........He may lose too much of the base to win the big dance.
My hope is that someone with great leadership and character will step up to the plate for the GOP, but I'm not holding my breath. Perhaps Duncan Hunter???
Major points of interest for me in this next election.......Mouth service isn't enough any more...We need some action.
1. Border security. Obviously needed for immigration reform, and security of our country against Terrorist attacks. Lets start doing military maneuvers on the borders with live ammo...That ought to keep them back on their side of the fence.... :)
2. Immigration reform. Enough already. Lets uphold the current laws or change them the way the founding fathers allowed for change. Make it less appealing to break the law than it is to follow it. Threats without consequences are what created this problem...We need a healthy dose of consequences to fix it.
3. Iraq war. Let the military win on their terms, Don't hold them back for political correctness. Let them win the war...Don't send them home with a job half done unless THEY determine that the situation is hopeless. All the armchair Generals need not apply.
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From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#19]
14 Feb 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#18] 14 Feb 2007
Brian,
On immigration reform, maybe you heard, (on last evening's newcast), that the good old Bank of America is offering credit cards to people with no Social Security numbers (read as illegal aliens).
How about the union in South Carolina allowing people of questionable immigration status to join their ranks?
Their logic being, if the people were hired by the meat packing plant, they must have shown proper identification, in order to be hired, therefore, we can bring them into the union.
In both cases, just another fund raising practice. :S
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From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#20]
14 Feb 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#19] 14 Feb 2007
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#21]
14 Feb 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#20] 14 Feb 2007
If all illegal immigrants were packed on buses and sent home, not only would many of our industries come to a screeching halt, the same people would be back in the country within weeks.
We have no vested interest in enforcing the immigration laws. Sounds good on paper, but I doubt we'll see it in our lifetimes.
Bush's proposed "Guest Worker Program" makes sense, (to me) but it drew a luke warm reception.
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From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#22]
14 Feb 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#21] 14 Feb 2007
I dissagree.....
What would happen is you wouldn't have to mandate minimum wage laws and the free market would take care of itself as it should.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#23]
14 Feb 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#22] 14 Feb 2007
Business controls the government and business wants cheap labor.
What business wants, business gets.
What the people want is irrelevant.
From: Brian (BRIAN_R) [#24]
14 Feb 2007
To: ALL
Brian,
I agree with you whole heartedly!
First day on a new forum and I'm posting on politics?
I must be mad!?
80 to 90% of the people want the ILLEGAL immigrants to stop breaking the law. Our elected leaders don't hear us.
I heard a number the other day, 25 citizens of our country are killed by illegals every day. Doing jobs some Americans won't do I guess.
Brian R
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#25]
14 Feb 2007
To: Brian (BRIAN_R) [#24] 14 Feb 2007
I must be mad!?
How easy it is to get sucked in. :P
From: gt350ed [#26]
14 Feb 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#25] 14 Feb 2007
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#27]
14 Feb 2007
To: Brian (BRIAN_R) [#24] 14 Feb 2007
It must be in the name.... ;)
Good luck............Politics and Religion are always hot topics. (angel) (devil)
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#28]
14 Feb 2007
To: gt350ed [#26] 14 Feb 2007
Ed,
I'll bring it back on track by agreeing with those who say the eventual winner isn't amongst the three contenders Chuck listed.
I suspect it will be someone who climbs in during the later stages, after the early birds have sufficiently had the skin pulled from their bones. >.<
Newty is making noises about jumping in and I wouldn't be surprised to see Gore in the hunt before the dust settles.
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From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#29]
14 Feb 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#23] 14 Feb 2007
You're blaming everything except for the people breaking the laws....When is it their responsibility for their actions? When do they get to be accountable for breaking the laws?
Eliminate the benefits, and create an environment that makes it more pleasurable to stay home, or worth while to go through the steps necessary to become a real American citizen. They shouldn't be able to get any benefits of citizenship of this country if they are not a citizen, including constitutional benefits, housing, medical, financial, jobs etc......... No exceptions.
The laws are already there.......They need to be actively enforced for two reasons. The first of which is to deal with the drag these people are putting on the system, and secondly for the security of this nation.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#30]
14 Feb 2007
To: gt350ed [#26] 14 Feb 2007
Sorry Ed.....You're absolutely right............
Was just following it like a casual conversation.......
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#31]
14 Feb 2007
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#29] 14 Feb 2007
Brian,
Are you trying to turn this into a Dick Cheney topic? :-)
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#32]
14 Feb 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#31] 14 Feb 2007
Apparently you are......... I-) Wake me up when you have something interesting to say....... :P
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From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#33]
14 Feb 2007
To: Cody (BOBTNAILER) [#16] 14 Feb 2007
I don't know Cody. I think maybe it is possible.
I believe that Americans are sick and tired of the same old political rhetoric.
As Steve said, Edwards is already done before it starts. Romney is already back pedaling on things he said four years ago. McCain tried and failed once. Doesn't mean he could try and win. How many times did it take before Nixon won? And look what happened to him. B-)
I think America wants change, I think, no I KNOW America wants out of IRAQ, and I believe that Americans don't want "business" as usual.
As I said in my original post, this was just for fun. I should KNOWN it would stir a tempest :-$ but oh well...it is fun all the same.
Anyway, I do think that the folks I listed have a good chance of going the mile. Remember Jimmy Carter ;-)
From: basehorawards [#34]
14 Feb 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#33] 14 Feb 2007
While this is an accurate statement I do not believe that it is a correct statement. When the debate is framed this way the desire changes.
Which would you rather have:
Our soldiers fighting the guys who would kill all of us who will not convert to their form of religion over in Iraq?
Or:
Our soldiers fighting those guys on the streets of the United States?
Iraq may not have had a direct and in 9/11 but neither did Afghanistan (the Taliban was never recognized as the legitimate government). However, Saddam Hussein was a threat to stability in the area. He was a supporter of terrorism - he paid money to the families of homicide bombers in Israel. He did attack Kuwait and if we had not stopped him there he would have moved west and taken over Saudia Arabia as well. (BTW the reason Bush 41 did not "finish the job" then was because he was there under a UN mandate that prohibited him from doing just that. So much for the wisdom of the UN.)
Taking him out and drawing the terrorists to Iraq keeps them busy over there and not here.
P.S. I think that the early polls have as much meaning as the presidencies of Howard Dean, Ross Perot, Ward Connelly and ... oh, wait, they were not even the candidates in those elections. :S
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#35]
14 Feb 2007
To: ALL
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#36]
14 Feb 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#35] 14 Feb 2007
oh if I had to guess David, I would say oh..about 100% B-)
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#37]
14 Feb 2007
To: basehorawards [#34] 14 Feb 2007
James,
I agree with what you said, however I think we could have gotten Saddam out without going in. I have ALWAYS believed that we could and should fight terrorism, but I do not think Iraq is what that is about. I think Iraq was about oil and "W" fullfilling his fathers objectives.
Just my two cents. Want change?
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