Full Version: Please explain
From: mas63 [#1]
27 Feb 2007
To: ALL
I have been doing some reading on egraving bricks, and I must say I am amazed, several people have talked of a patent for this idea or process, please tell me this is not true, how on earth can someone patent what I can do with my laser, I mean can I go out and patent the idea of lasering on wood, and then all of you would have to pay me a royalty when you do that.
Surely one of you are a lawyer or knows a lawyer and can tell me if this is possible.
Thank you
MAS
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#2]
27 Feb 2007
To: mas63 [#1] 27 Feb 2007
There is a patent on engraving bricks. There is also a patent on engraving the color out of denim.
To me both are absolutely ridiculous because they are process that uses a machine for what the machine was made to do. Nothing special about the processes. That being said, it is still the law until it is changed or the patent runs out.
[This is one of my hot buttons.]
EDITED: 27 Feb 2007 by HARVEY-ONLY
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#3]
27 Feb 2007
To: mas63 [#1] 27 Feb 2007
There is also a patent on sub-surface 3-D laser engraving. You can go out and buy a machine to do this specialized engraving, you just can't use the machine unless you have a license to produce this type of engraving.
This is one of Harvey's hot buttons. (devil)
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#4]
27 Feb 2007
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#3] 27 Feb 2007
I believe Vytek was selling a "green light" laser in Las Vegas.
I don't know if they're telling people they need the "green light" from the patent holder to use it.
From: Vicky (ANDERI) [#5]
27 Feb 2007
To: mas63 [#1] 28 Feb 2007
Apparently, bricks aren't the only items claimed in this patent...
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6822192.html
I still don't understand how they could do this. Hey! I just figured out that using my printer to print text on paper makes it more aesthetically pleasing than writing it out by hand or using a typeriter! I'm going to patent that process!! :O)
From: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#6]
28 Feb 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#4] 28 Feb 2007
No they weren't telling people that. I stopped by their booth and watched a few demos of that laser. I was impressed by the samples I saw in their display.
Do you need special license for it? That might have been good information to have. :P
Becky
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#7]
28 Feb 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#6] 28 Feb 2007
I don't know what the licensing arrangement is, or if the act of buying the machine through Vytek gives a person that clearance.
Mark, at Precision Laser would probably know. He's in the business of 3D laser, as a licensed practitioner.
From: Dan (DAN_IN_MI) [#8]
28 Feb 2007
To: Vicky (ANDERI) [#5] 28 Feb 2007
There's a big hole in the patent......'brick at room temperature and at atmospheric pressure'.
You could either cool / heat the bricks a few degrees (or claim that you do) and your process is different than what is patented.
Or....if you've got a large enough exhaust fan, I would bet that the inside of the laser is less than atmospheric pressure.
Just my opinion.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#9]
28 Feb 2007
To: Dan (DAN_IN_MI) [#8] 28 Feb 2007
I do not know if that would hold up in court but I like your thinking.
Maybe you could get your intake air from the outside, then in high summer heats and low winter temps the brick would certainly be above or below room temperature. (But what is the legal definition of room temperature.)
[Why are we forced to ask these stupid questions?]
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#10]
28 Feb 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#6] 28 Feb 2007
Becky,
Did you find out how much the machine costs?