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From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#33]
21 Mar 2007
To: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#30] 21 Mar 2007
Jim,
Obviously I am not Harvey, although I have been thinking of growing a pony tail... ( insert laugh here)....
As far as *I* know all sublimatable items need 400 degrees but varying amounts of pressure.
With OEM, you do not use sublimatable items, but off the shef items......and most of those are pressed at a lower temperature, because the transfer process is different....
I hope I answered you question.......
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#34]
21 Mar 2007
To: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#31] 21 Mar 2007
Jim,
The tape REALLY goes along way. I am still working off the roll I got a year ago. It does not take much to hold a transfer in place....
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#35]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#34] 21 Mar 2007
Thanks for answering the question before I had a chance to get back on-line.
To All: I do virtually no sublimation anymore. I do all OEM Laser Toner Transfer. A good $300 color laser printer, a special transfer paper and a heat press, and you can do so much more. (Especially acrylic!)
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#36]
21 Mar 2007
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#35] 21 Mar 2007
Harvey,
I have dug out my transfer paper from Mick and was getting ready to print some for some tiles I am working on.....but I found it "odd" that AFTER I print the tile, I need to "bake" it at 400 degrees for an additional 15 minutes......I need to talk to Mick about that....but I am going to try a couple of things that Carl was talking about.
From: Doug (JDOUG5170) [#37]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#36] 21 Mar 2007
Chuck, unless you have to have a glossy image, use bisque tile and you can eliminate the post bake.
I don't offer anything but and have had no problem selling the satin finish I get from bisque tile.
I realize it means shipping expense, but, Mick offers are really nice, high quality bisque tile from England...but I have used some from a local pottery supply house.
Doug
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#38]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#36] 21 Mar 2007
In addition to a slight bit of additional grab, the post bake makes the color shiny.
I do not post bake my stuff, but then I do not do glass or ceramics either.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#39]
21 Mar 2007
To: Doug (JDOUG5170) [#37] 21 Mar 2007
Doug,
I'm feeling kind of dumb here. :-$ What is a bisque tile?
From: Doug (JDOUG5170) [#40]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#39] 21 Mar 2007
Bisque tile is the clay, kiln fired once. It is after this that a potter or ceramist would apply any glaze that they wanted to fire on. Most tile you purchase would have a color, glossy glaze applied. It is this glaze that oem toner has trouble adhering to under the relative low temps that we press with, therefore the extended, higher temp, post cook.
I believe bisque may also be referred to as "greenware".
Doug
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#41]
21 Mar 2007
To: Doug (JDOUG5170) [#40] 21 Mar 2007
Doug,
Thank you for the education. I got it.
Now, here is a question. Rather than post bake the tile, ( if I cannot find bisque tile), what if I simply pressed it hotter and longer? Would that work?
Thanks
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#42]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#41] 21 Mar 2007
Chuck,
I don't know the answer to that question, regarding OEM laser toner, but with dye sub, (375-400 degrees) that's a recipe for a blurry image.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#43]
21 Mar 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#42] 21 Mar 2007
David,
Currently I am pressing 6 inch tiles at 400 for 5:30..... it seems to be working really well..
From: Carl (CSEWELL) [#44]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#43] 21 Mar 2007
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#45]
21 Mar 2007
To: Carl (CSEWELL) [#44] 21 Mar 2007
From: Doug (JDOUG5170) [#46]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#43] 21 Mar 2007
Chuck, with dye sub there is a definite ultimate time and temp to run before the image gets blurry.
I have found the oem laser is more forgiving. I have done less time and I have done more with no ill effects.
Now, I'm guessing here, so take it as such. I believe that the reason for the post bake is to set the "film" that gets transfered with the toner. The glossy finish on fully glazed tiles does not have the "teeth" that a bisque tile has so it takes a little more heat and time.
That said, I also find that a satin glaze is a little more forgiving, but still requires the post bake.
When I have done glazed tile and therefore, a post bake, I just use my toaster oven. I've always felt that if I had a qty to do, such as a large mural, I would just load up my kiln and let it run through the process...I could put 100 tiles in my kiln with little effort.
My first step would to be locate any pottery supply houses that might be on the islands if there are any and see if they offer bisque tile. Anything to save the shipping. Of course, if your local supply uses Dahl bisque tile as my local one does, you still pay the shipping, just not as visible to you. There is of course a savings as they are most likely bringing them in by the pallet.
Doug
From: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#47]
21 Mar 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#32] 21 Mar 2007
Frugal. :B
EDITED: 21 Mar 2007 by GREAT_ATLANTIC
From: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#48]
21 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#33] 21 Mar 2007
With OEM, you do not use sublimatable items, but off the shef items......and most of those are pressed at a lower temperature, because the transfer process is different....
Ah...Ok. The OEM process seems pretty appealing too.
EDITED: 21 Mar 2007 by GREAT_ATLANTIC
From: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#49]
21 Mar 2007
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#35] 21 Mar 2007
Harvey...
Is there a quality difference in the OEM process vs. dye sub?
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#50]
21 Mar 2007
To: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#49] 21 Mar 2007
I dont know what Harvey will say, but I think there is....OEM sits on the surface and you can actually "see" and "feel" the transfer.....and as you have probably seen with sublimation already, it is smooth and become part of the surface......which I think makes for a nice product.......
Just my two cents. Want change?
From: Bill (ALBILLBERT2000) [#51]
21 Mar 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#16] 21 Mar 2007
David.. I never thanked you for the nice EE badge.. great job.. Thank you... ... Has Harvey/Dee put the photos up from Atlantic Rain City..
again Thanks..
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#52]
21 Mar 2007
To: Bill (ALBILLBERT2000) [#51] 21 Mar 2007
The pleasure was mine and it was nice to meet you (in a way) through the pictures Dee posted here:
http://engravingetc.org/forum/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=6179.93
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