Full Version: Versa-Trans paper
From: Patty (PDI) [#1]
27 Mar 2007
To: ALL
Mick's paper has gotten a lot of great reviews for quite awhile now but one thing has puzzled me.
I ordered my first pack of it and before I could even break the seal, Mick said he was now recommending the application of post-it notes to the lead edge. The stickies strengthen the edge and it helps prevent the paper from wrapping around the fuser.
I've been told by his office this process is necessary for all OKI models.
In a nutshell, I'm not terribly comfortable with having to handle each piece and then putting it through the printer. It sounds tedious as well as risky to add it to every piece. Am I the only one that sees a hang-up here? Are all the current OKI users implementing the procedure?
I would love to only see Sawgrass in the rearview mirror, but I don't want to go on a path that doesn't feel right either. As a note on my background, I started running printing presses when I was 12 years old in our family business so maybe I'm just more sensitive. One of the cardinal rules of offset printing is to "keep your paws off the paper." The oils from your hands, as well as the introduction of humidity into the stack, could be the difference between an easy run and an all-night run.
I'm interested in other's experiences with this paper.
Patty
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#2]
27 Mar 2007
To: Patty (PDI) [#1] 27 Mar 2007
Patty,
I had heard mention of the Post-it notes, but it wasn't clear what purpose they served.
Now, I know.
(No personal experience with the paper.)
EDITED: 27 Mar 2007 by DGL
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#3]
27 Mar 2007
To: Patty (PDI) [#1] 27 Mar 2007
Patty,
I am using the versa trans paper and the additional step of putting the post it notes on the paper is minimal. One does not need to handle the paper any more than they would already to put the paper in the printer.
With the post it notes, ( ask Mick to send you some) I can load up to 10 sheets of paper into my OKI 3200N with no problems.
I hope this helps.
Good luck
From: Don (HIGHDESERT) [#4]
27 Mar 2007
To: ALL
Patty & Chuck,
I'm getting ready to place my first order with Mick tommorrow. Post-It Notes.... Huh?... What are you talking about?? Where do you put them? How many do you use per sheet? Please explain..... I'm lost...
Don
High Desert Engraving & Sign Co.
From: logojohn [#5]
27 Mar 2007
To: ALL
With the Konica Minolta I haven't found a need for the post it note Mick recommends with his or any other paper.
I have had better luck with the Magic Touch Paper but with that caution
I was afraid to just stack sheets of paper and go for it. Would be helpful to
know if anyone is just stacking them and mass printing. The precaution is logical since the surface of any of the brands seems rather slick and I thought several sheets might be pulled in the printer at once.
Since so far I haven't marketed it much, I usually don't have hugh runs and just had to print 3-4 at a time and no extra time for trial and error, I just placed one sheet at a time in the feeder but without the post it note. It has been working fine.
I was going to get an OKI printer but nobody locally stocked them so I got the Konica Minolta. Now it seems that "they" say the Oki has better adhesion properties which I didn't know at the time. I am still having about a 3% reject rate with the Konica and the paper I had the most "luck" with, Magic Touch Paper.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#6]
27 Mar 2007
To: logojohn [#5] 27 Mar 2007
From: sprinter [#7]
27 Mar 2007
To: logojohn [#5] 28 Mar 2007
I have tried both the OKI and Konica Minolta with all 3 papers. By far the best results for me has been the OKI and Mick's paper.
Adding the post-it strips is no big deal and takes very little time, well worth it for the results I'm getting.
From: Patty (PDI) [#8]
27 Mar 2007
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#6] 27 Mar 2007
From: Patty (PDI) [#9]
27 Mar 2007
To: Don (HIGHDESERT) [#4] 28 Mar 2007
Mick or a current user can describe it better... but essentially you fold 2 small post-its over the lead edge on each sheet.
Patty
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#10]
27 Mar 2007
To: Patty (PDI) [#8] 27 Mar 2007
I have the Konica/Minolta and did not have to use them. When I did a sheet of transparency I needed to do the equivalent. I folded a piece of paper 1/4" from the edge and put it on the back of the page with the tab over the front. It worked then but I do not know if it will block too much of the fuser's heat with the transfer papers. On the oil-less fusers, they heat the toner from the rear of the sheet.
Mick does much research and is very thorough, I would go with his recommendations.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#11]
27 Mar 2007
To: Don (HIGHDESERT) [#4] 28 Mar 2007
Don,
Mick supplies half inch post it notes. They have the majority of the adhesive. You simply peel the top post it and attach it to the top of the paper.
Alternatively you could make your own if you have a heavy duty paper cutter.
There is no need to bend, fold, spindle or mutilate the post it. ( insert corny joke laugh here).
The purpose is to help keep the paper from jamming on the roller and the fuser in the printer.
The post it notes also keep the pages seperated a bit allowing for stacking of up to 10 sheets.
I have attached a pdf to show you the placement.
I am sure that if you asked, Mick would send you some samples of the paper and the post it notes to experiment with. I am pleased so far, but I have to experiment some more my self.
I hope this helps.
EDITED: 6 Apr 2007 by C_BURKE
From: Patty (PDI) [#12]
27 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#11] 27 Mar 2007
The instructions I received today from Mick's distributor indicate the post-it is to be folded over the lead edge. They are instructions that were generated by Mick. I hestitate to post the instructions because I view them as Mick's property. Perhaps he will shed more light on this issue when he returns. His office indicated he was out-of-town today.
I don't see how placing 10 sheets in a bypass tray can be equated with taking 10 sheets, folding 20 post-its (hopefully square and in the right general location) and placing them in the same bypass tray. The math just does not add up for me.
Perhaps this is another case of ... not every process is right for every user or application. I don't even like to slow down and reload the main tray when its empty.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#13]
27 Mar 2007
To: Patty (PDI) [#12] 28 Mar 2007
Oddly enough Patty, I have not been folding over the post its. I have just placed them "on" the paper on the glossy side. Seems to have been working just fine.......
You are right, not every process is for everyone. I"m not sure I will embrace this one, but it is worth experimenting with.
Just my two cents. Want change?
From: Dave_Miller [#14]
27 Mar 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#13] 28 Mar 2007
We have been using Micks paper for hardgoods for over a year in both an Oki 5200 and an Oki 3200. We do not put anything on the leading edge and we stack several in at a time with no problem. So I just thought I would pass that on.
From: Mick [#15]
28 Mar 2007
To: Patty (PDI) [#1] 28 Mar 2007
Patty,
We supply properly cut down post it notes with the paper. Its application is an insurance policy to keep the paper from wrapping on the fuser roller of the printers. We used to get an occasional "wrap up", which in some printers is very time consuming to un-do. Have not had one for months now. We recommend this procedure for all laser printers, not just the Oki's
The post it notes also allow you to put multiple sheets of paper in the bypass tray for printing, rather than one at a time, another time saver.
There are no ill effects of touching the paper when applying the notes.
Mick
From: Patty (PDI) [#16]
28 Mar 2007
To: Patty (PDI) [#1] 28 Mar 2007
Thanks to all for responding. Interesting that I got no 2 of the same answer. The answers ran the gamut from don't use post-its on any model to you should use them on all models. Some fold, some don't.
Fortunately what I haven't heard is a report that the post-it was left behind in the paper path.
I'll have to take the supplier's recommendations and see if they work for my production style.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#17]
28 Mar 2007
To: Dave_Miller [#14] 28 Mar 2007
Dave,
Thank you for the input. I am always skeptical to try things like that because of the fact that it is difficult at best to get equipment serviced in the middle of the blue pacific.
However, I will give it a try. Once. ( insert laugh here).
Thanks
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#18]
28 Mar 2007
To: ALL
I was talking with Mick a few weeks ago and he suggested I give this a try--I wasn't using his paper.
His solution works! Now I'm going to have to try his paper on my next order.