Full Version: Dye-Sub Am I understanding this right?
From: jpkevin [#11]
5 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#10] 5 Apr 2007
Hi David,
In my opinion, the R1800 is a much stronger printer. Our test one has been in use here for almost 2 years, and we very rarely have problems with it.
I have only had one customer problem with their 1800 in the last month. They had a clogged nozzle, and we put the Epson cartridges back in. Got it printing good, and then reprimed the bulk system and reinstalled it. After that it worked perfect. They have had their 1800 for almost a year now, and that is the first problem that they had.
The 1280 is no longer available new from Epson. Only refurbs are left. In my opinion, that is the best news I have heard in a long time.
From: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#12]
5 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) 5 Apr 2007
Ok, so say I go with this refillable cartridge thing, what do I need for that besides the ink and the cartridges? A reset tool? A special syringe?
And do I want spongeless?
I looked at that inksupply.com link and, to tell you the truth, it confused the heck out of me. I have no clue what to order or what I am even looking for.
The mug order I was anticipating to arrive in July, arrived yesterday 8-O which is good. But that means I have less time than I thought to get caught up to speed on mass production of mugs (which can't be farmed out somewhere else)
I really apreciate everyone's help in getting me up to speed on this. I have been spending some time on our sister forum and looking through old posts here.
The opinions are pretty much split on wraps vs presses, which printer to choose and which "bulk method" to pick (refillables vs bags)
There are lots of pros and cons to all sides of it leaving my head spinning. 8-O
Any other suggestions would be really helpful. (this is to the group at large reading this, not just David)
Thanks
Becky
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#12] 5 Apr 2007
You'll want the spongeless, refillable cartridges, and the chips (sold separately) that go with them.
Also the chip resetter.
No special syringe. Just a syringe as a means of filling your cartridges, through the hole on top.
You'll want two sets of cartridges; one in the printer and a fresh set for when you need to change cartridges.
The trick, if any, to spongeless carts is to make sure the plug on the top of the cartridge is airtight. Some people go as far as to use a hot glue gun to ensure a proper seal. Otherwise the ink may drain from the carts.
Not as scary as it sounds and in my opinion, preferrable to bulk systems.
If you find yourself over a barrel (or mug) I'd be happy to print some transfers for you, in the interim.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#14]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#1] 5 Apr 2007
Becky,
Here is my two cents, which isn't worth much.
Get the Epson4000. I looked at all the options for a year before I made my choice, I read most of the posts......and ultimately decided on the 4000. I have had it for well over a year, with the 110ml cartridges ( which lasted close to a year by the way) .....it NEVER Clogged, I have had only ONE color correction problem, and only ONE mechanical problem which Epson took care of as close to immediately as humanly possible.
Add to that, that the printers you are looking at can only accept one size of paper, the epson4000 has 4 sizes of paper available to use, as well as a ROLL of paper for extended runs. This is handy when you want to print more than one image. For example, you can only get ONE ( 1 ) 6" tile I if you do tiles on an 8X10 sheet. You can get 4 on a 17 x 22, and an almost infinite number on the roll.
I also know you have a large order for mugs....you can only get two prints for mugs on an 8 x 10, but you can get four or maybe 6 on a 17 X 22, and A LOT more on the roll. Ultimately this will save you time and money...which is really what it is all about.
want change?
EDITED: 5 Apr 2007 by C_BURKE
From: gt350ed [#15]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#1] 5 Apr 2007
I now buy 125ml bottles of Artainium ink from my California supplier, Coast Graphic Supply (forum member). I refill the clear cartridges myself. It's a snap. The carts come with automatically re-setting chips, and when the chips go on the fritz, you can buy replacements from MIS as well. Cheap.
Do yourself a favor and switch to these carts. They are so relatively inexpensive that you can buy back-up carts so as to have filled carts waiting when you run out.
I've never actually counted, but you will get several (many) fillings out of each 125ml. Of course, depending on colors used, some bottles may run out faster than others.
If you have a bulk system you will be leaving behind, you can even syringe the ink from that system into your carts.
Speaking of syringes, I go to the local pet/veterinary supply store and buy them in bulk. I use them for sucking from the bottles and filling the carts. Works great.
From: gt350ed [#16]
5 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#13] 5 Apr 2007
From MIS Associates (inksupply.com), the chips come with the carts, already installed.
Again, the rubber plugs on MIS carts have not presented any problems. Don't leak, while being easy to remove/install.
From: gt350ed [#17]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#4] 5 Apr 2007
Once I switched to spongeless refillable carts, my clogging issues dramatically became a thing of the past. And learning how to do physical head cleanings using distilled water has contributed greatly to trouble-free printing.
If money is no problem, either the Epson 4000 or 4800 might be the way to go. On the otherhand, the 1280 can be had for $400 or less. I cannot tell you how many times mine has paid for itself; at least 50 times. Do the math.
From: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#18]
5 Apr 2007
To: gt350ed [#17] 5 Apr 2007
Well, believe it or not, I managed to score a new 1280 on clearance at Staples for $100. Tonight actually. LOL
So, on inksupply dot com, what am I buying to go spongeless and refillable for this thing? They look like they have refill kits but they don't seem expensive enough ( like $45?)
Since that is what you have, can you tell me what you buy?
Thanks for helping me get up to speed.
Becky
From: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#19]
5 Apr 2007
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#14] 5 Apr 2007
Thanks for your opinion about the 4000. I really appreciate it.
Based on your opinion, I think I will probably take the leap down the road. Which may be not that far down the road.
I am going to give this 1280 a whirl and see if it gets me through this wave and then I will take a look at the 4000 a lot closer.
Thank you so much,
I really appreciate it
Becky
From: Mike (MIKEN) [#20]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#19] 5 Apr 2007
You've been given good advice about buying the MIS refillable cartridges.
I would buy TOG inks simply because David says they're OK and a lot cheaper than the others.
I can tell you that your 1280 will work fine if you use it. Even if you're just printing something to exercise the printer.
If you don't do that (like I didn't) you may take up swearing which I did.
From: gt350ed [#21]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#18] 5 Apr 2007
SLC-T007-EC
SLC-T009-EC
These are the empty black and color carts.
Also, order the chip resetter. I don't have the part number. It's somewhere on their website, along with their phone number.
I never ordered the refill "kit". You may want to. I don't believe you need it.
Other than syringes, you'll be good to go.
From: gt350ed [#22]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#18] 5 Apr 2007
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#23]
5 Apr 2007
To: gt350ed [#16] 6 Apr 2007
Thanks for the update. I haven't used the spongeless, refillable carts, although I've seen them in action.
No bad reports from the people I know who use them.
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From: PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) [#25]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#24] 5 Apr 2007
Are we still talking about sublimation ink ???
2 oz $86 75ml per color
4 oz $140 125 ml
8 oz $240 250ml
16 oz $406 500ml
EDITED: 5 Apr 2007 by PENINSULATROPHY
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#26]
5 Apr 2007
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#19] 5 Apr 2007
At last weekend's Coast Graphic Supply Learning Center, I found that even though the Epson 4000 is being replaced by the 4800, there are aspects of the 4000 that make it more desireable than a 4800.
Has to do with some of the desireable functionality of the 4000 that has been eliminated in the 4800.
From: John (JOHNRMONTG) [#27]
6 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#26] 6 Apr 2007
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#28]
6 Apr 2007
To: John (JOHNRMONTG) [#27] 6 Apr 2007
Yes, I've seen where the 4800 can be used for dye sub and other cartridges are brought into play for printing transparencies for film positives, used in the silkscreen process, as one example.
I've also seen where Sawgrass uses that printer model for their Chromablast system, where dye sub is one function and another ink formulation is used for printing 100% cotton garments etc.
From: John (JOHNRMONTG) [#29]
6 Apr 2007
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#28] 6 Apr 2007
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#30]
6 Apr 2007
To: jpkevin [#29] 6 Apr 2007
Is the Epson 4800 the printer model used in the Sawgrass Chromablast method?
Thank you,
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