Full Version: Engraving Etc. Live!
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#61]
25 Feb 2005
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#60] 25 Feb 2005
Thank you Chuck. The feeling is mutual.
I apologize to the forum for the sarcastic tidbits contained in my previous post.
The message was genuine enough. I just get a little exasperated with people who aren't seeing the long-term goals I'm hoping to achieve.
It's not their fault.
Some of those goals, I'm keeping close to my vest, simply because I'm not a fan of vaporware. Rest assured, money generated through a pay model will be used to further my goals, which will be of extreme benefit to all.
In true fashion, I won't waste anyone's time in attempting to duplicate a wheel that's already been invented.
It's never been my way in the engraving business. It will never be my way in the Education business.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
EDITED: 26 Feb 2005 by DGL
From: John (ICTJOHN) [#62]
25 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#59] 26 Feb 2005
David,
you wrote: "Go to areas of the country which have been hit hard by outsourcing of jobs and industries."
That may mean the next event is here in Wichita - They just announced that BOEING WICHITA's plant (as well as Tulsa & McCallister, OK) was sold to a Canadian firm........hopefully they intend to grow the business not shutter it.
I'm Kinda worried here! The economy really has not started to grow like the analyst have been saying and now this......
Boeing IS the Wichita economy.
But I will see you in Vegas & KC
From: Doug (JDOUG5170) [#63]
25 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#61] 26 Feb 2005
David,
As we all know, nothing of real value is put together with no cost involved and it can be covered in a number of ways.
You might take a page out of the manual (ha!) used to put on the original Beach Party two years ago in Vegas. Cherie and her committee had a number of vendors that sponsered the event and for their money they got exposure in the way of a banner displayed in the room and recognition in any printed matter issued at the event, ie, newsletter.
The event had a substantial cost due to the food and beverage being provided, and the entertainment. Your event can certainly live on without these items making it less expensive.
This event was not over powered, nor was it empasized by any vendor in particular, but the subtle recognition was there. As a participant in the banner program, I felt that I more than got my money's worth and was happy to be able to defray some of the costs involved.
I have never . myself,had a problem paying for any training programs that I've attended, but, have had a problem when the training is put on by one vendor and becomes one long sales pitch for their product and their product only at my expense.
When I read about how engravers have shop rates that run in the $100's per hour, I shake my head in wonderment when they shun a fee for a learning base such as this forum and/or a training program such as you are suggesting.
If you decide to involve some vendor participation, please add me to that list so that I may consider your proposal.
Doug
PS, I apolgize for any spelling errors, I have discovered that the spell checker does not work under Firefox, but, I think you were able to read past them!
From: laserman (MIKEMAC) [#64]
25 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#61] 26 Feb 2005
David,
I have just spent the entire day reading this post (Ha Ha). I did not see anything regarding the ULS systems. Is there any interest in this issue (maintenance etc.).
All though I am in Sunny So. Cal. or is that Soggy So. Cal I would like to discuss the possibilities of representing the Universal line. I do not want to get into a "Trade Show Situation" why is theres better than yours. But I do think I can educate ULS owners regarding there equipment.
Tips, Techniques, Maintenance, Repairs, Etc. and would consider it if needed.
A trip to Branson!!! Well it would have to be worth it for that but it is not out of the question.
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#65]
25 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#61] 26 Feb 2005
Personally David I do not think you said anything that requires an apology.
Either way, I'll see you in Vegas. I have you cell number, I'll send you mine. Lets make time for a beer.
Chuck
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#66]
25 Feb 2005
To: laserman (MIKEMAC) [#64] 25 Feb 2005
Mike,
I can't speak for David L., for he is the one that is ultimately driving this bus. I've got one foot in the door and the other one dragging in the street. In other words, I know enough of what is going on to know that we have every intention of requesting participation from Universal in this educational extravaganza. In my opinion, we would be short-changing everyone by not doing so. You have just beat us to the punch.
The last I checked, Bill Grady was still the Kansas City area Universal rep. In addition to yourself, we had planned on contacting him about the event.
As we pin down the details, we'll be knockin' at your door.
EDITED: 25 Feb 2005 by DATAKES
From: Lisa (TROPHYUSA) [#67]
25 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#30] 26 Feb 2005
From: Lynn (LYNNDENO) [#68]
26 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#67] 26 Feb 2005
Ive been reading this thread and getting very excited about a midwestern educational live forum. Ive been in the embroidery business for 9 years and never miss the oppportunity to rub elbows and pick the brains of my peers.
I have only had a laser since last August and can't make the trip to LV.
So I'm dying to see this get off the ground this year, hopefully this summer or fall. Count me in also.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#69]
26 Feb 2005
To: laserman (MIKEMAC) [#64] 28 Feb 2005
Mike,
In order to address maintenance procedures of laser machines, is it necessary to have an actual machine on site?
How many people can we comfortably get around a machine?
Could there be a PowerPoint presentation, with pictures, that would sufficiently cover the topic?
I realize there are basics, which apply to any brand of equipment, but access to critical components varies from brand to brand.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#70]
26 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#69] 26 Feb 2005
David,
Most laser reps won't go anywhere without there laser in the back of the van so there shouldn't be a problem with them having one to work on.
Dave
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#71]
26 Feb 2005
To: Lisa (TROPHYUSA) [#67] 26 Feb 2005
Lisa,
I'm all for keeping it simple. A huge undertaking is what I'd like to avoid.
I'm afraid we're running the risk of getting bogged down in the fine points of the logistics and we'll remain in the "pipedream" stage.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
EDITED: 26 Feb 2005 by DGL
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#72]
26 Feb 2005
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#70] 26 Feb 2005
Dave,
Here are my two concerns:
1) What if we have 100 attendees? The people directly next to the machine will have a birds-eye view. Beyond the "front-row seat", how many people will actually be able to see anything?
2) Are there city codes, Fire Dept. regulations, etc. that would make bringing the equipment into a building full of people an expensive or convoluted situation?
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
EDITED: 26 Feb 2005 by DGL
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#73]
26 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#72] 26 Feb 2005
David,
A digital video camera and projection system would be an option to give everyone in the room the same "Live" bird's eye view without having to hover over the machine.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#74]
26 Feb 2005
To: John (ICTJOHN) [#62] 26 Feb 2005
John,
Listen to what we're hearing in this thread. For various reasons, people can't make it to Las Vegas. Either too far away or too expensive to attend.
I've been attending trade shows for decades, and one question has always lingered in my mind:
"Is our country's minority population involved in the awards and engraving business?"
If so, you wouldn't know it by attending the shows. The outward appearance is that of "The land of white bread and mayonaisse."
The overwhelming majority of show attendees are established award dealers.
It's great fun to drive, or fly, into a big city and hob-knob with friends, but that does absolutely nothing to advance our industry.
Trade shows bring revenue to cities. From what you're saying, Wichita could use a shot in the arm.
Not only would the city receive a small degree of much-needed financial relief, but the people of the area would be encouraged to find alternatives to their "one-company-economy."
Last year, for the very first time in my 51-year life, I flew from coast to coast. I was flying from big city, to big city.
As the well-traveled passengers fought boredom, by reading magazines and watching movies in thumbnail format, I sat next to a window and gazed across our land with the wide-eyed wonderment of a child.
I didn't have the benefit of seeing our state lines neatly-partitioned and labeled, as on a geographical map. Wide areas of seemingly unpopulated land would give way to a smattering of dirt roads and buildings, which in turn, would lead to wider, paved roads and the larger buildings of a nearby city. Then, the reverse would happen.
To this day, I have no idea which states, or which cities I was flying over.
That flight only served to heighten my curiosity. Which cities were I seeing? Who are the people? What drives their local economy?
The Engraving Etc. Live! event, in the Midwest, will, in a small way, answer those questions.
That's only one waystation. I'll want to visit many more.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#75]
26 Feb 2005
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#73] 26 Feb 2005
David,
That's an excellent idea. Very nice!
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: JHayes55 [#76]
27 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#74] 27 Feb 2005
David
Wichita could use some help no doubt - yesterday Southern Illinois University
beat Wichita State for he Missouri Vallley Title. The 4th year in a row
that SIU has captured that position. Wichita would have held the title had
it not been for SIU. So yes Wichita is having a rough year.
All kidding aside - one thing that should be considered on where we
have this - ease of travel for all parties - by that I mean - the city we positon
this in should have good access by interstate and especially an airport
with good flight schedules - As a small example of this - I used fly from
St. Louis to Omaha Neb. for $100.00 round trip - From St. Louis to
DeMoines Iowa was $650.00 round trip - basicly same air miles, - just the fact
that Omaha offerd more options. Just something to be considered.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#77]
27 Feb 2005
To: JHayes55 [#76] 27 Feb 2005
Joe,
Absolutely. Access to airports and thruways will be crucial.
Beyond that, short of putting myself in life-threatening situations, I'd like to take the message to more remote and distraught economies. Including other countries.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#78]
27 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#77] 27 Feb 2005
David,
I'm hearing different purposes.
1) Get together/educational for forum members. By reading the forum these people have at least some exposure, and a definite interest / need. Most have specific questions and should understand the answers.
2) Trying to introduce others, with no prior thought on the subject, to the industry. This would be more "selling the industry". You mention poorer areas, will they have the clientele? How many locals in a given area can enter the business, all be viable, and have good potential for future growth?
In my opinion #1 can be done now, #2 needs a little more time in the incubator.
(How long until laser engravers are another "color inkjet printer"? Digital cameras, color printers, and computers have changed the photography market; how long until engraving "goes home"?)
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#79]
27 Feb 2005
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#78] 27 Feb 2005
Ken,
I've definitely laid out a long-term plan. Obviously, it can only be accomplished by taking baby steps toward that end.
Selling the industry, is in the best interest of the industry. At present, trade shows, and associated literature, mostly cater to those already in the industry.
As to how many tradespeople one area can support, you only have to take a trip to a vantage point in your area. In my case, before I went on my own, that spot was Mt. Wilson, located in the Angeles Nat'l Forest, which overlooks a wide expanse of the greater Los Angeles area.
It won't take long, for you to see there are many more potential customers than any one shop could possibly handle. Furthermore, when you consider the ultimate versatility of our equipment, which even includes the lowly table-top manual pantograph, not everyone in the area will be interested in performing the same tasks.
Some will gravitate toward jewelry engraving. Others will seek inroads to light industrial work, and still others will pursue nameplates, badges and signage. The list could go on and on.
We're already seeing (as you suggest) some of our tools of the trade appearing in local malls etc. Please pardon the phrase, "It's not what you got, it's how you use it."
In this industry, that's a very appropriate statement.
Give identical equipment to ten people and you'll see output ranging from extreme works of art, to items which conjure a picture of Stevie Wonder engraving with his left hand. (assuming he's right-handed)
You get the idea.
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#80]
27 Feb 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#79] 27 Feb 2005
Long range planning...
Where are we now,
Where do we want to be,
How do we get from here to there.
I wish someone could explain the concept to a person I know...
Unfortunately they can't understand the "where do we want to be" part is possible. Only lives in the moment.
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