Ed,

on another forum it's not a rope, but a woodchipper. (devil) 

Roy,

We know our profile doesn't explain our years of experience. So we will update that and provide you with a llittle history about tnt.

tnt aka Thom & Terry have been in the Sign & Related Industries for over 30 years. Have had articles writtten about us in trade magazines and a website article. We run a major casino's signshop here in Las Vegas. for the past 10 years. We have a wide array of knowledge in the art fields. Types of signage casino's require are backlits, directionals, menus, special events props, posters, stage props, engraved table game limit signs, attractions and the list goes on. There are no pretenders here, our obsesssion is color.

July 2003 Rolands Website - Will Curtis posted an article on www.rolanddga.com in the gallery.

Sept/Oct 2003 Big Picture Magazine - Kasey King, "tnt have'n a blast"

July 2005 Signs of the Times Magazine - Steve Aust, " Small Shop Great Work"

The Atomic Art process was shown to the public at two trade shows, Stone Expo & ITSS Show and if there were apparent weaknesses, someone of the 3 or 400 people who visited the booth in that industry would have seen it. Louie Alvarez of LaserPro would not have allowed us to be present at his booth.

We do not mean to get defensive but we also understand that permanent color has never been available to engravers. Attitudes about Sign people are very annoying to us as we feel many are true artisans.

More to come,
Thom & Terry

David,

We understand the suspicion about license agreements and possibly we have mistated our intentions.

What we hope to accomplish is, to sell the entire packet that will be secured through a technology that does not allow any copying of the software and the security issues will be left to the buyer to protect the knowledge neccessary to accomplish Atomic Art.

As far as license agreements; it is hoped that all licensee's form a community of likeminded artists who can share ideas amoungst ourselves and to keep it limited enough so that all involved have a great revenue source.

Lets say you make monuments signs in Texas and we know these pieces of granite are heavy and difficult to transport, your customer needs this in New York, if there were a community of Atomic Art Artists you could have the licensee in New York fabricate your project and share in the proceeds. Then NY Licensee can in return utilize your services in Texas. Just an idea we believe this is possible if there are only exclusive licensees.

Like Las Vegas, one shop could not handle all the work in this town. Interior Designing - Kitchen & Bath - Full Color Logos - Wall Murals - Marble & Tile inlays - etc.... With the advertisements/images on all these surfaces, the LV Licensee could call upon the community to help meet the demands.

Finally; when it's all said and done, we have a valuable and exciting new process to offer laser engraving professionals.

We hope this has cleared up any misunderstandings.

Thom & Terry

attached 2 pieces of granite

Ed,

A fellow Victorvillian, Terry graduated from Victor Valley HS and VVCC.

Thom & Terry had a sign business in Apple Valley for 15 years. Price Signs.

Due to the economy we moved to Las Vegas in 1995. Sometimes we miss it especially, Mojave Narrows on Father's Day the "Huck Finn Jubilee".

Thom & Terry

Thom & Terry,

Your process has certainly peaked my interest. I have a few more minor questions.

Would I be able to sell my Atomic Art services and goods produced with your process on the internet? If so, wouldn't this be a violation of any kind of territorial agreement you might attempt to draw up?

Dave

Unfortunately this is so new we have no tangible pieces available to send to anyone and probably March will be the next chance for people to see it. Sorry if this sounds like we are avoiding you but we need to stay focused on the process we have outlined for ourselves.

Our sons will be home for the Holidays and not much gets done during there visits we only see them together at Christmas.

The website should be up and running a little earlier than previously thought, we are running the final tests this week to see if there are any problems and it should be preened and ready by the end of this coming week.

We will post this when ready.

Also I do not know if you are familiar with Louie Alvarez with LaserPro but he has seen them up close and helped us do some scratch resistance tests on several pieces. I suppose you could contact him at the LaserProUSA.com website for his opinion if you like.

Thom & Terry

David

I think people are misunderstanding the License aggreement principle that we suggested.(SORRY!). Obviously anyone who buys the Atomic Art process can sell to whomever, but we intend to sell a limited number of packets and have no intention of saturating the market like the quickie signs etc... companies are doing to the sign businesses around the world. ( too many sign people doing to much for too little)

The Internet is a wonderful source to buy and sell through and most customers who are using that method are not customers anyone is actually taking from someone else. At least I do not think that is the case since they have specific reasons for using the internet.

There is also the issue of shipping and installation; for say, a tile shower enclosure a backsplash etc. Maybe our thoughts on this does not address your current line of products or what you percieve will be available with Atomic Art but many will want to get involved with the Building industry, monuments, etc.

Just a thought!

Thom & Terry

Just wanted to do a little update on this topic. In the January edition of the A&E Louie Alvarez has an article on Laser Engraving Materials. In the last 3 paragraphs of the article he talks about a customer who has came up with a method to do full color with a laser engraver. He states that the method will amaze you and once the patent is final & the customer releases the process he will be writing a lengthy & detailed article.
He also makes note of the process "the images are in full, vibrant color that is is also extremely durable, wear and scratch resistant, and of course, weather & UV resistant." I do not know Louie personally but I have met him at an ARA show and took in a seminar he was presenting. His seminar was very interesting and informative to me. He writes an article almost every month for A&E. I am just relaying what I know.

Personally I am interested to hear more about this since laser engraving is a huge part of our total business. Since this article was related to this forum topic I thought some of you might be interested.

My goal is not to validate this process at this time or validate Louie but to share with you what I do know until I get all the facts. I have requested that TNT keep me informed of their progress in the release of this product. They have always be quick to respond to my emails.

TNT,

This evening, I read the Louie Alvarez article, in the January issue of A&E magazine, that Joe Hayes referred to. (Why does Joe get his copy before the rest of us?) :-) 

Sure enough, the article was touting the wide variety of items the laser machines are capable of marking. Louie did make mention of your full-color process, but was quick to add, since a patent is pending and the details haven't been completely ironed out, he's not at liberty to elaborate.

As Joe pointed out, Louie asks us to stay tuned for a "lenghty and detailed article" on the process.

I've eaten crow in the past, but not often enough to develop a taste for it. Looks like I may be lined up for another helping, but until I know the "nitty-gritty" I'll refrain from shopping for a select piece. :-) 

Joe,

I suspected you were on the inside track, when it comes to early delivery of A&E. :-) 

Hey! I'd love to chow down on some crow, if it means a cutting edge application for laser engraving.

The huge learning curve sounds good to me. :-)