If the Amish aren't safe..... - Engraving Etc. Forum

From:	Dee (DEENA-ONLY)	2 Oct 2006
To:	Becky (KIAIJANE)	2 of 13

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Becky,
Speaking as the mother of a teacher I can tell you that no school can ever be 100% safe. However, if you think about the number of children in school versus the number of acts of violence the percentage is actually quite small. Does that make the family of any child who has been hurt or killed feel better - no. I would like to point out that 2 out of the 3 incidents this week were perpetrated by adults in no way associated with the schools.

The one thing the parochial school have over the public schools is the ability to kick discipline problems out. Years ago public schools in the NY area had special schools where problem kids could go to receive the help they so desperately needed, Today those schools don't exist. They were closed down as budget cutting measures. I firmly believe that this country needs to put the needs of all children on a higher priority level.

Dee

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

From:	Becky (KIAIJANE)	2 Oct 2006
To:	Peter	4 of 13

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A gun of some sort. Kicked all the boys out as well as the teacher and a parent who was there. Lined the girls up by the chalk board and executed them. What's really sad for the Amish community in addition to the act itself, they don't know violence like this. They aren't de-sensitized from tv, newspapers, media the way we "English" are. The nutter said he was acting out of revenge for an incident that happened 20 years ago. Unbelievably sad....

From:	UncleSteve	2 Oct 2006
To:	Peter	5 of 13

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He was found with a 9MM, a shotgun, a hunting rifle and 600+ rounds of ammo. His wife received a call from him and he said something about getting revenge for something that happened 20 years ago which would have made him around 12 years old at that time. The police are still working on what that could have been. "Don't believe everything you think!"

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	3 Oct 2006
To:	UncleSteve	6 of 13

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Steve, It's a pretty safe bet; the people on which he was exacting revenge, were born after the incident that sparked his rage. The only good news to come out of this story, is that the gunman turned a gun on himself, in the end. My opinion. David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA
EDITED: 3 Oct 2006 by DGL

From:	Debbie (DEBBIEG)	3 Oct 2006
To:	Becky (KIAIJANE)	8 of 13

4994.8 In reply to 4994.1
This is a horrible thing to have taken place. Our children need to feel safe in this world. Especially in a place like school. I have to say I am a homeschooling parent. But just because we decided to homeschool does not take the fear out of the protection of our children. Sure we are safe from the random freak who thinks that a school is the perfect location for his/her crime but these things can take place anywhere. As to the question what can a parent do, all you really can do is love your kids and show them it every day. Again like mentioned above, it is a random freak, picking a random location and we have no control over that whatsoever. It could be the library or church or grocery store that these crimes take place but just recently it has been schools, which seem more (tradgic)....I am at a loss for the word I am looking for, but since we send our child to a place (school) where we just let them go without us thinking they are in a safe place, makes it feel that we have no control over these kinds of circumstances because we are not there to be able to protect them. It just seems more of a violation I guess. Debbie Homeschooling mom, concerned parent, concerned citizen

From:	UncleSteve	3 Oct 2006
To:	Debbie (DEBBIEG)	9 of 13

4994.9 In reply to 4994.8
Check today's news.... It was NOT random.... He is a pedofile and selected his "victims" as revenge for GOD causing his daughter to die days after she was born 9 or 10 years ago.... He was a bomb just waiting to go off. "Don't believe everything you think!"

From:	bobkat	3 Oct 2006
To:	Debbie (DEBBIEG)	10 of 13

4994.10 In reply to 4994.8
As incomprehensible as this is to us here, there are many places in the world (like Iraq), where senseless acts like this are common, everyday events. We need to thank God everyday for what we have here, and be willing to do what it takes to preserve it.

From:	Diller (PHYLLIS)	5 Oct 2006
To:	ALL	11 of 13

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As I watched the news today about how these families prepare for the funerals, my heart goes out to them! What is most touching is to hear them speak of FORGIVENESS to the family of the shooter, and also the shooter himself! Our family will be praying!

Sincerely,

The Meyers

From:	Becky (KIAIJANE)	5 Oct 2006
To:	ALL	12 of 13

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The Amish community that was affected by this tragedy has actually set up 2 trust funds at a local bank. One is for the victims' families and the other is for the Robert's family. They set up a trust fund for the children of the shooter. Keep in mind, for the most part the Amish bury their money in boxes on their properties. So this is a huge deal in so many ways for them. Their once peaceful quiet way of life has been deluged with media vans, reporters, people, attention. I can't imagine the long-term affects that this tragedy will have on this community. But I think we can all take a lesson about forgiveness away from this horrific tragedy. Keep them in your prayers. Becky

From:	Peter	10 Oct 2006
To:	Becky (KIAIJANE)	13 of 13

4994.13 In reply to 4994.12
Becky you are right... One can only see teeth gnashing, spiteful, demon wracked, revengeful people all around us..calling for the death sentence.." wait !...I'll even pull the lever myself...or push the syringe in by myself" attitudes around us..... The Amish have their values in order....... They believe...the rest of us only quote scripture to back our feeble and pathetic revengeful humanistic values.... IMO Peter Peter Vasic Engraving Services Co. Adelaide, Australia. http://www.engravingservices.com.au