Ah....POLITICS - Engraving Etc. Forum

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	8 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	52 of 76

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quote: So far, all I hear from your side Bobkat, Therein lies the problem. As an independent, I voted for some Democrats and some Republicans, based on their qualifications. The tribe has spoken and what I and many others heard, is that the struggle of Red vs. Blue has overshadowed the Red White and Blue, which we're all solidly behind. How about these people, regardless of party, take some time to do their jobs, which should be dealing with issues, based on the wishes of their constituency? David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA
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From:	bobkat	8 Nov 2006
To:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	54 of 76

5262.54 In reply to 5262.52
quote: How about these people, regardless of party, take some time to do their jobs, which should be dealing with issues, based on the wishes of their constituency? I'm all for that. The only way that will ever happen is to get rid of them all and start over, with term limits and other controls so they can't take over and ignore us like they do now.

From:	Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)	8 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	55 of 76

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Not really directed at you, Bobkat since you see the point already.

Learning from history we see that any institution over 100 years old has one thing in common, It has been altered in a way that keeps the people at the top, staying at the top.

How they managed to pass a term limit for the President is a mystery, now if we could only follow through with the others. We might lose a few good ones, but only a small percentage fall into that category.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

From:	bobkat	8 Nov 2006
To:	Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)	56 of 76

5262.56 In reply to 5262.55

Everybody claims to be so angry, disgusted...(insert your own word here), about how our government doesn't represent us. But very few people are willing to really do anything about it. Why don't we all join together and say this is what we want, and then get rid of anyone who doesn't vote for it.

1. We want affordable health care, border security, whatever the issue, and if we don't get it, we will elect someone who will get the job done.

2. Every issue brought before Congress gets a vote; yes or no, no crap burried in a 2500 page bill that nobody reads. No hidden porkbarrel spending, every vote is public record and transparent.

3. Term limits for everyone in Congress; no professional politicians, no "good old boy" networks to get in the way of doing the people's business. No "special interest" contributions. Anyone not voting for term limits, just signed their own term limit, since they will be gone in the next election.

4. Campaign finance reform. Why is it worth millions to get a job that pays thousands? Hmmmm....

I'm sure all of my suggestions will be studied and lost in committee for years and never come to the light of day; but guess what, all of the committee members would be looking for new jobs come next election....

This country is headed down the drain, and there are a whole lot of people who can't wait for it to get there.

From:	RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)	8 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	57 of 76

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The way I see it....The Dems Gave the "new" minority a great lesson in how to stifle the progress of the majority......

I figure we have an endless future of the government costing us loads and getting nothing done......... And yeah I'm probably a more optomistic person than most......

Frankly I'm disgusted with both parties. For the Republicans for letting the minority define their direction as a majority, and the Dems for dirty politcs that stifled progress............They all deserve each other....Unfortunately we the people all seem to be the real losers.

Get ready for a higher cost of living and higher interest rates....The tax man cometh.....................

Praying for a "real" old school, fiscal conservative presidential candidate of the future..........

Thanks,

Brian Genrich

Rallye Productions Inc.
1-800-236-2036 x112
Custom cut, or sheet stock Sublimatable metal,
Screen printing, and other digital print services.

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å“I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Albert Einstein

From:	GBengraver	8 Nov 2006
To:	RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)	59 of 76

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Rallyguy, Dems dirty politics? For the Republicans for letting the minority define their direction as a majority What do you mean? The majority of the people spoke yesterday. And what they said was very clear. The indisputable truth is that the people spoke loud and clear yesterday and they said that the status quo is no longer acceptable. The unchecked spending, no accountability, the corruption, the lies, the boondoggle in Iraq. We have a $460 Billion dollar defense budget and we can't even outfit our soldiers with adequet body armour. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING??? The party of "less government" is a sham. Your party line rhetoric about taxes, cost of living, "we are winning the war" etc. has worn thin with the voters on both sides. At some point the over $8.5 TRILLION dollar debt has to be paid. How are you going to pay for it?? That is a debt that has risen by over $3 TRILLION dollars since the "fiscally responsible" party took control in 2000. How about allowing oil companies to gouge us under the guise of "free markets doing what comes natural" at a time of war and making obscene profits while forcing the elderly and poor to make choices between eating and staying warm. Party of morals. Bah. If you want to talk about the "party of values and morals" we could discuss the Tom Delays, Bob Neys, "Duke" Cunninghams, Mark Foleys, etc., etc., etc. Cutting taxes during wartime, so that the middle class are the only ones making sacrifices (unlike WWII when all Americans were asked to sacrifice). And Bill Clinton who left a budget surplus when he left office gets impeached for lying about a b**w job. Wake up and smell your own party, it stinks. Today is a good day. Greg "Nothing is really work unless you would rather be doing something else."
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From:	Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)	8 Nov 2006
To:	GBengraver	60 of 76

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I think this post will be non-controversial.

Both parties stink.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

From:	Cathy (METIME417)	8 Nov 2006
To:	ALL	61 of 76

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The tribe has spoken and what I and many others heard, is that the struggle of Red vs. Blue has overshadowed the Red White and Blue, which we're all solidly behind. I don't know how to do the grayscale quote?!? As an independent - I have to say this is the best quote!!! My voting experience was neat in the fact that I dragged my daughter to vote for the first time. But I never had to show my ID I just walked up, told them my name, address and birthdate and was able to vote. I was in and out of there with no line, but aren't they suppose to see ID????? So many thoughts - all I know is I'm a little sad today and I really wish I could think of a way to really, really get rid of a TWO party system. That's all. Cathy Trophies By Design, Inc.

From:	Ward (STENSONENG)	8 Nov 2006
To:	ALL	62 of 76

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Tell all of the losers that the votes for their opponents "Didn't Matter". Tell them in Virginia that their votes don't matter. Tell Donald Rumsfelt and President Bush, the new power
to subpoena that the new Majority now has, "Doesn't matter" I'm willing to bet it matters to Pelosi, Cheney and Rowe. Mattering is a matter of the side of the fence your on when your "OX is getting gored".
Some of us are old enough to have been in school when they taught civics.
My high school civics teacher could teach from experiencee about the
development of government from WW I through the Korean War Era, having taught
over fifty years. and some of us paid attention, learned something, picked up principles
morals and ethics, or at least learned what they were about and how they applied to
government.
Is the message "It doesnt matter" progressive or regressive? Negativity, defeatism, apathy and sloth, not exactly the qualities you think of being entertained by entrapaneurs seems to be OK when it comes to voting. Or are they part of a political approach, a form of propaganda designed to keep people from voting or wanting to vote. (One of my istructors
taught that the ignorant masses had no business voting and could not be trusted with
governanace.) If that could be, then who would benefit from such an attitude? The wealthy, the powerful, the Corporations and Big Business are certainly in the minority so they must balance the scales by exercising power, politics, psychology and public opinion. If you know history as it applies to public relations, it just makes sense. Knowing what your own best interests are and promoting them is really just good business.

Ward
(Never to old to learn)

Never to old to learn

From:	RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)	8 Nov 2006
To:	GBengraver	63 of 76

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What I meant was that the minority party was essentially controlling/stifling the actions of the majority party at the time..... The Republicans had no backbone, and couldn't push their agenda as they should have. I agree with you on several points...I'm fed up with the "new" republican party, and long for the days of the Regan Conservatives..... I look forward to the future...It should be entertaining......... It's our turn to bitch about the management...... (devil) Thanks, Brian Genrich Rallye Productions Inc. 1-800-236-2036 x112 Custom cut, or sheet stock Sublimatable metal, Screen printing, and other digital print services. ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å“I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Albert Einstein

From:	basehorawards	9 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	65 of 76

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quote: We want affordable health care But since when is it the role of the federal government to provide us with that? I would imagine that if put under the microscope 90% of what the federal government does is unconstitutional. The powers and responsibilities of the federal go0vernment are explicitly spelled out in the constitution. Health care is NOT on the list. Go to www.senate.gov and pick a bill, any bill, and read the "Interstate Commerce Clause" in that bill. That is the overused excuse for most of what is done by the feds. Reading some of them it is amazing how much they have to stretch reality to justify the bill. It would be a joke if it wasn't so serious. We were making progress with original intent judges but with the senate now under democratic control that will come to a screeching halt. There is no way that they will confirm any judges that rule using the constituion as the basis. Rather we will only get judges who will look at the constitution and see things that are not there or will look at how people "feel" - not relevant. Or, even worse, look at the constitutions of other nations. Private business and charities used to do a lot of what the federal government does now. And the did it for less money, more accountability and better. And people supported the ones they liked instead of being forced to pay for programs they we are opposed to on constitutional, moral or religious grounds. The government that governs best governs the least. to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson James Smith Basehor Awards & Trophies

From:	bobkat	9 Nov 2006
To:	basehorawards	67 of 76

5262.67 In reply to 5262.65
We are in agreement. The only thing I think the government should do on the healthcare issue is limit the amount of pain and suffering awarded in malpractice suits to bring insurance costs down. I am with you; we have waaaaay to much government interference in our lives now. With the democrats in power, expect that to rise exponentially. They know what we need better than we do.