Ah....POLITICS - Engraving Etc. Forum

From:	basehorawards	9 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	65 of 76

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quote: We want affordable health care But since when is it the role of the federal government to provide us with that? I would imagine that if put under the microscope 90% of what the federal government does is unconstitutional. The powers and responsibilities of the federal go0vernment are explicitly spelled out in the constitution. Health care is NOT on the list. Go to www.senate.gov and pick a bill, any bill, and read the "Interstate Commerce Clause" in that bill. That is the overused excuse for most of what is done by the feds. Reading some of them it is amazing how much they have to stretch reality to justify the bill. It would be a joke if it wasn't so serious. We were making progress with original intent judges but with the senate now under democratic control that will come to a screeching halt. There is no way that they will confirm any judges that rule using the constituion as the basis. Rather we will only get judges who will look at the constitution and see things that are not there or will look at how people "feel" - not relevant. Or, even worse, look at the constitutions of other nations. Private business and charities used to do a lot of what the federal government does now. And the did it for less money, more accountability and better. And people supported the ones they liked instead of being forced to pay for programs they we are opposed to on constitutional, moral or religious grounds. The government that governs best governs the least. to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson James Smith Basehor Awards & Trophies

From:	bobkat	9 Nov 2006
To:	basehorawards	67 of 76

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We are in agreement. The only thing I think the government should do on the healthcare issue is limit the amount of pain and suffering awarded in malpractice suits to bring insurance costs down. I am with you; we have waaaaay to much government interference in our lives now. With the democrats in power, expect that to rise exponentially. They know what we need better than we do.

From:	GBengraver	9 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	68 of 76

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So, in your opinion, the reason health care costs are so high is because of people who have been injured and maimed by doctors ineptness???

That doesn't make sense to me.

If they want less lawsuits, they should do a better job, make less mistakes.

When your car insurance, home owners insurance etc. goes up do you go to your boss and demand a raise because your insurance has gone up?
I guess you could try but I doubt it would get you too far.

Yet doctors and insurers claim the reason they have to increase rates and prices is due in part to the raising cost of malpractice insurance. That is absurd.

How many doctors do you see driving 15 year old cars or living in low rent apartments because they cannot make a living due to the cost of malpractice insurance?
0?

Health care costs are raising at more than 5 times the inflation rate.
Why? Not because of lawsuits.

Should only people of means have a right to quality health care?

As an American, I always felt that if I have been fortunate enough to have financial success as a result of my being able to take advantage of what this great country has to offer, I also have a responsibility to help those who are not as fortunate.

I am not even close to being rich, sometimes wonder how I am going to pay my bills, but feel very blessed that I am where I am.

There are alot of people alot worse off than me and I look at paying taxes as part of the cost of having the privilage of living in this great country.

Wow, I need to put my soapbox back in the closet. ;-)

Greg

"Nothing is really work unless you would rather be doing something else."

EDITED: 9 Nov 2006 by GBENGRAVER

From:	Dave (MT_DAVE)	9 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	69 of 76

5262.69 In reply to 5262.67

Your argument here reminds me of when I lived in an Ultra Conservative town in Washington where most of the people were growers of apples and cherries. The editorial pages and Letters to the Editor would be filled with the growers B*tch'n about all the lazy good for nothing bums on welfare.

Than when there was a crop failure the growers were crying in their soup wanting the Government to step in with $$$ for them and I would laugh like hell listening to them trying to explain that what they want is different from welfare.

I won't even get into the Government paying farmers not to grow crops.

Wasn't just born at night, sometimes it seems it was last night. Big Sky Awards/a>

From:	GBengraver	9 Nov 2006
To:	Dave (MT_DAVE)	70 of 76

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That is funny.

I'm a little suprised at how many Dems you Montanians have elected to the Senate thorughout the years.

I always thought that the western states tended to be conservitive.

Goes to show you what I know.

Greg

"Nothing is really work unless you would rather be doing something else."

From:	Dee (DEENA-ONLY)	9 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	71 of 76

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I am not smart enough to know how to solve the problems of the world and I am really glad it is not my job. It is my job to look at the philosophies of the candidates who are running for office and see if I agree or disagree. I have certain criteria that are important to me and if a candidate of any party shares those philosophies then it is my job to delve further into who they are and then make a decision as to who I will vote for. The government that we have recently had has not met my particular criteria.

Dee

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

From:	bobkat	9 Nov 2006
To:	GBengraver	72 of 76

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quote: So, in your opinion, the reason health care costs are so high is because of people who have been injured and maimed by doctors ineptness??? Malpractice suits are not the only reason, but it is a big part of the problem. It is not just doctors who get sued; providers of anything from medical equipment to drugs to basic supplies are sued because people stand to make a lot of money. Unnecessary tests are done just to protect from lawsuits; that costs insurance companies money, and the costs are passed on to the consumer. People who are injured by medical mistakes should be compensated for their injuries, but huge awards for "pain and suffering" just cause people to sue thinking they will get this big payout and be set for life. The reality is, the lawyers make most of the money. quote: Yet doctors and insurers claim the reason they have to increase rates and prices is due in part to the raising cost of malpractice insurance. That is absurd. It should make perfect sense to anyone in business for themselves. When your costs go up, you have to raise prices to your customers, either that, or you won't stay in business long. quote: How many doctors do you see driving 15 year old cars or living in low rent apartments because they cannot make a living due to the cost of malpractice insurance? 0? Health care costs are raising at more than 5 times the inflation rate. Why? Not because of lawsuits. I don't think a doctor should have to live in poverty after spending several years and hundreds of thousands of $ on education. OK, so why? I have given you a plausible cause for at least part of the problem, as well as a possible solution. What have you got? You wouldn't be one of those "all blow and no show" democrats would you? If you are, you had better come up with a plan soon; just bitching about how things are is not going to be enough now that you have the power.

From:	UncleSteve	10 Nov 2006
To:	bobkat	73 of 76

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And you missed how many doctors are now in HMO's and other groups to take advantage of their insurance group. We are losing all the wonderful individual practicioners that could give a patient the time to explain and comfort rather than just the present "Nurse! Next!" we hear so often. "Don't believe everything you think!"

From:	gt350ed	11 Nov 2006
To:	ALL	75 of 76

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For whatever its's worth, here's my prediction: Overall, not much will change. Same old ineptitude on the part of Congress. For the most part, the REAL players are still the same on both sides of the aisle. The Democrats now have a "majority" in name only. It's slim, just as the Republicans had before them. For a decade, this has been a do-nothing Congress way beyond what we would consider typical "do-nothing". The Republicans couldn't get anything done, and the Democrats will not be any different. There is NOT unanimity(?) among the Democrats. Just as there was none among the Republicans. Moderate Dems will not agree with certain left-wing proposals, and may even side with moderate Republicans, God forbid. In the end, nothing will get done; EXCEPT for Iraq. On that, there just may be concensus; to stop funding and "cut & run". Life goes on. Get back to work. You've got lots of pork to pay for. B-) Ed Holley Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co. and Coffee Mugs Online www.coffeemugsonline.com

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	11 Nov 2006
To:	gt350ed	76 of 76

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quote: In the end, nothing will get done Ed, I think something will get done. With two years until national elections, it's time to begin running for office again. Heaven forbid, any substantial work take place, in the meantime. I hope to be wrong with that prediction. David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA
EDITED: 11 Nov 2006 by DGL