Sandcarving Equipment Advice - Engraving Etc. Forum

From:	Don (HIGHDESERT)	19 Mar 2007
To:	Lisa (TROPHYUSA)	14 of 29

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Hi Lisa, Harvey, Doug, & Dave,

I did it!!! I just phoned Rayzist and bought their Model 2034 Cabinet. I spoke with Art. Liz was right next to him. They gave me the ARA Vegas Trade Show Special of $3,995.00 Delivered which also included their Complete Mask Making Kit. They tried to charge me an extra $50.00 for sending a truck with a liftgate but when I baulked they waived the extra charge.

Thanks once again for the info. You all were a big help.

Now the adventure begins..... I'll be back soon with more help needed...

Don

From:	Lisa (TROPHYUSA)	19 Mar 2007
To:	Don (HIGHDESERT)	15 of 29

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Awesome Don. They are a wonderful support team and you will LOVE the machine. We do. Lisa R. Higginbotham www.5starawards.net Commit your work to the LORD, and then your plans will succeed. --Proverbs 16:3, NLT

From:	gt350ed	19 Mar 2007
To:	Don (HIGHDESERT)	16 of 29

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You made a good choice Don. I came to this "party" (thread) a bit late, but I can assure you that you are in good hands. I also have a Rayzist cabinet. I don't have my equipment or model number at this location, but mine was purchased about 4 years ago. It has the portable pot with filters built-in to the blasting cabinet. I have a commercial-grade vertical compressor purchased from Sears many-moons ago. At least 800cfm. Works like a charm. When I started, I was making my own stencils, developing film, performing washouts, etc. Then I discovered the ease of using one of my lasers to laser a mask. Now it's just a matter of getting the mask to stick to the substrate, laser the mask, apply protective tape to the product and blast. It's a snap. I use Photobrasive's LaserMask. If the substrate is not smooth and flat, I use Rayzist white adhesive and a foam brush to compliment the adhesive that is already applied to the mask material. It comes in a bottle. Just brush it on- 1 or 2 coats, as necessary. "Art", at Rayzist is my rep. As you will find out, it's a family-run business; although Art "married in". Great people! One of the main reasons I went with Rayzist initially, is because I wanted somewhat local service and support. I'm in Southern California, as are they. With you being in Arizona, Rayzist is essentially "local". When time and budget allow, take one of their classes. It will give you a big jump-start. Ask Art about classes. And they are only about 15 minutes from the Pacific Ocean. B-) Ed Holley Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co. and Coffee Mugs Online www.coffeemugsonline.com

From:	precisionlaser	19 Mar 2007
To:	Don (HIGHDESERT)	17 of 29

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Hi Don

I have the PhotoBrasive Crystalblast 3624 cabinet and love it. Sand blasting is the only thing I have left which isn't automated or controlled by a PC, and I get a lot of enjoyment out of simply doing the blasting. One thing you may want to think about (or perhaps not if your user name is indicative of where you live) is a moisture filter. We are located in Memphis where it can get a tad "moist" at times, so a moisture filter is a necessity for us. In my opinion, the best filter available is by MotorGuard. These are used by many commercial painting shops and it has done a good job for us.

Good luck with your cabinet...I know you'll really enjoy using it.

Mark Dickens
Precision Laser Art, LLC
www.precisionlaserart.com
866-716-0300/901-888-1019

From:	Don (HIGHDESERT)	19 Mar 2007
To:	gt350ed	18 of 29

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Thanks for the Info Ed.

I was wondering how well my new Laser would work to laser a mask. My first look at Sandcarving was at the ARA show in Vegas last month. It looked very interesting. They let us do some blasting on round glass pieces. I did a Lakers Logo. Really had no intention at the time of getting into it but showed the sample to a few of my customers when I got back home and they were very impressed. A couple of them wanted prices to do stuff for them. That's when the wheels started turning. I showed a few more customers my sample blasted piece and they were also impressed. One customer asked if I could do something for her daughters wedding in June. By then the wheels were turning at full speed. And here I am with my Rayzist Cabinet ordered and waiting for delivery.

I've got a lot to learn, but it looks like a rewarding business. Both personally and monetarily.

Your post was a big help to me.

Thank you again,

Don

From:	Don (HIGHDESERT)	19 Mar 2007
To:	precisionlaser	19 of 29

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Hi Mark,

Thanks for the helpful tip. However, moisture is not much of a concern here except for a couple of months during the summer when we get out Monsoon rains. Other than that the humidity is very, very, low.

My mother was from Memphis. She was born in Germantown. Most of my Uncles and Aunts on my mothers side are gone, but my favorite Uncle still lives in Southhaven, Ms. And I have several cousins that still live in or near Memphis. When I was a teenager I would go to Memphis every Summer and every Christmas vacation. I really loved it there except for the humitity in the Summer. I had some very serious thoughts about moving there a few years ago.

Thanks again for the moisture filter info. Your thoughtfulness is appreciated.

Don

From:	Lisa (TROPHYUSA)	20 Mar 2007
To:	gt350ed	20 of 29

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Ed - Can you share your settings for the laser mask? I bought some from Rayzist but haven't figured out the correct settings yet. I have a Trotec 30W. Lisa R. Higginbotham www.5starawards.net Commit your work to the LORD, and then your plans will succeed. --Proverbs 16:3, NLT

From:	gt350ed	20 Mar 2007
To:	Lisa (TROPHYUSA)	21 of 29

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My settings are the same as what I would set for the substrate to be lasered, with my focus adjusted to compensate for the additional thickness of the mask (minimal). All you are going to do is frost one or two passes worth of substrate (as if the mask were not there). It really doesn't matter because you are going to blast the piece anyway. If you turn the power down much below what would be typical for the piece, the passes might not penetrate the mask sufficiently. This creates unintended problems. Ed Holley Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co. and Coffee Mugs Online www.coffeemugsonline.com

From:	Nick (NICKIONPOE)	3 Apr 2007
To:	Lisa (TROPHYUSA)	22 of 29

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I got into this business after purchasing a sandblaster in 2003. It was a big bulky inefficient system, unlike the Rayzist and the Photobrasive miracle machines. I eventually got rid of it cabinet, pressure pot, all of it because I couldn't handle the mess. Then I bought a laser and there is not a day that goes by that I don't miss my sandblaster so I am sure that you will thoroughly be happy with your purchase. I would like to someday add one of the new fangled cleaner units that have been praised in this discussion. My suggestion is to stay away from the wash out film, I found it unreliable. If you have a vinyl plotter, it's a really inexpensive way to make stencils and holds up very well to blasting. The quality that you get from sandblasting IMO is far more superior to laser engraving. Being able to utilize both with give you a great advantage. Good Luck and happy blasting with the new machine

From:	LaZerDude (C_BURKE)	3 Apr 2007
To:	Don (HIGHDESERT)	23 of 29

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Don,

Well, having read the entire thread and discovered that you already bought your's I'll just say congratulations and good luck. ( I deleted the part about owning a CrystalBlast 3624) You will have lots and lots and lots of fun......

EDITED: 3 Apr 2007 by C_BURKE

From:	Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)	3 Apr 2007
To:	Nick (NICKIONPOE)	24 of 29

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quote: from the wash out film Nick, What washout film were you using? I use Photobrasive's washout film exclusively as my photoresist material of choice. I have only had one letter blow out in all my years of sandblasting, and that was on a slate award which provided very weak adhesion. I have found that the newer washout films can even be repositioned most of the time if they are not pressed down.

From:	Nick (NICKIONPOE)	3 Apr 2007
To:	Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)	25 of 29

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I hve to admit that I never tried Photobrasive's wash out version. I really should have thought of that because I purchased all the rest of my supplies from them. I bought my system from SCM or SMC? not sure which way that goes. (Not a company I would recommend either) I got fairly frustrated with the washout quickly... probably should have been more patient but loved the Rapidmask and stuck with that. Anyway the moral of the story is that I should have done my homework a little better before I jumped and bought that system. Of course the crystal blast and the others that are similar weren't out yet.... oh well live and learn.

From:	Barbara (RGILE)	5 Apr 2007
To:	ALL	26 of 29

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Hello Everyone, We have a large sandblasting unit, that I would like to start using with my business. My question is this, I have never used a sandblaster and I do not know what to buy for this unit. My husband says that I will need a smaller blaster, but then I hear you guys talking about sand carving, and I don't know what to buy. Is it a big learning curve. (husband says I do not know what I am getting into). I laser a lot of glass products now, and would love to offer sandblasting because everything I have read about it, says it is better looking that just lasering it. I am going to go to the website that someone offered to Doug, and read more, but maybe some of you will have some advice for me. (I already have a cabinet and compresser, just not the smaller blaster. Set up is in the shop behind my house and will not be at the store. Any advice will be appreciated. Barb :/ Barbara Sample RGile Engravers

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	5 Apr 2007
To:	Barbara (RGILE)	27 of 29

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Barbara, If you use your laser machine to create masks for flat items, your learning curve won't be too steep. Learning how to manipulate artwork for application to curved surfaces, especially those with compound curves, will present a steeper learning curve. For the easier applications, if you can spary a water hose on a sidewalk, you can sandcarve. :-) David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	5 Apr 2007
To:	Barbara (RGILE)	29 of 29

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Barbara, My stint as a sandcarver was short-lived, so I don't know what nozzles are available/desireable for various applications. I had a rather weak siphon system, with a pencil tip, which didn't help build my enthusiasm for the process. :-) David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA