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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Linda (LINDAG) 
1771.21 In reply to 1771.20 
Linda,

Rotary/drag equipment can't engrave photographs. Just line art, which could be a "likeness" of a person etc.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Linda (LINDAG)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
1771.22 In reply to 1771.21 
Thank you David. How about logos? Do they have to be in vector format? I am assuming rotary engraving can not use bitmaps or jpegs?
Linda
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Linda (LINDAG) 
1771.23 In reply to 1771.22 
Linda,

Yes, rotary/drag logos are vector images.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
1771.24 In reply to 1771.21 

I've seen some fantastic photos diamond engraved on a rotary system.

The key is to use the correct material for the photo. When I was in Ohio (Newing-Hall) two years ago we engraved several photos by first running them through PhotoGrav and then hatch filling in Corel.

Use black brass and the engraving is of course gold fill. The major problem is it takes forever to scribe the lines what make up a gray scale hatch fill. But it can be done!

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In the Great Northwest!

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) 
1771.25 In reply to 1771.24 
Interesting Mark.

Sounds kind of like an impact printer approach.

I guess I should have said, "Photos can't "easily" be engraved with a rotary/drag system. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
1771.26 In reply to 1771.25 
Same process as a laser if you take the gray scale approach. Just time consuming.

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In the Great Northwest!

 

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 From:  JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS)
 To:  ALL
1771.27 In reply to 1771.26 
Linda & all,

Thanks! This forum is definitely the best thing since sliced bread! I think I will stay away from jewelry, and I want the rotary to complement the capability of my laser and rotary fixture and soon to be added sandblasting. I have lost business because I couldn't give them real brass plates. Primarly I am looking at used as the payback will be shorter and if there is enough business to justify more (bigger table, more features, etc.) then it will be an easy business decision.

Jim

Jim Kenndy, Sr.
Just the 4 of Us Engraving
York, Maine
ULS 25W with rotary, MPX-60 impact
"Lost, but making good time."

"When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stone-cutter, hammering away at his rock perhaps 100 times without as much as a crack showing. Yet at the 101st blow, it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before." - Unknown

 

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 From:  JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS)
 To:  Linda (LINDAG) 
1771.28 In reply to 1771.27 

Linda,

Well, with a little help from some members of this forum I was put in contact with the seller of a used New Hermes IS400 Volume with PC, scanner, software, cylinder attachments, etc. We have agreed on a price and all that remains once he gets my check, is for it be boxed up and shipped. This will give me rotary engrave/diamond drag capability for both flat and cylindrical objects, including baseball bat sizes. Adding this to my new CrystalBlast 3624 sandblast cabinet, my new MPX-60 Photo Impact Printer, and the new new rotary fixture for my ULS M-300 25w laser, I think I will be able to offer a fairly wide (LOL) range of services, solutions, and products. It is an agressive, expensive move for me, and not one without risk as my shop isn't even finished yet but one I feel I had to make. This forum has been instrumental in driving me toward my new business plan. The rotary will be pivital in my new direction.

I am coming out with a new Pete Bertrand designed logo, new business cards, and letterhead, and soon a new brochure to kick-off an agressive marketing campaign. In spite of all the new gear, my plan is to find one thing and do it well and then move on. Right now I have not determined my one thing as I do R&D and climb multiple learning curves simultaneously. Yeah, all it is is a lot of big talk right now, the proof will be in the pudding and I have yet to walk the talk as they say. The biggest challenge is time and energy as I still have my day job and all my R&D is done in the evening after an hour commute and dealing with twin 14 year old boys. All I can say is I'll either get there or I won't but the dream stays alive.

Jim

Jim Kenndy, Sr.
Just the 4 of Us Engraving
York, Maine
ULS 25W with rotary, MPX-60 impact
"Lost, but making good time."

"When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stone-cutter, hammering away at his rock perhaps 100 times without as much as a crack showing. Yet at the 101st blow, it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before." - Unknown

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) 
1771.29 In reply to 1771.28 

If it is a used machine it probably comes with Gravostyle98 which I like better than the newer Gravostyle Gift or 5. Be sure you get the dongle, it is useless without it.

I would have liked the Volume unit better than the regular IS400 but did not have the space for that huge swinging table affair that is used.

I am pretty much an expert on Gravostyle98 and the IS400, so feel free to ask questions.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) 
1771.30 In reply to 1771.28 
Jim,

So you're the person who got that machine! :-) 

I was licking my chops over it, but was in no position to take advantage of the opportunity.

Very versatile machine. From the descriptions of your other equipment, you're fully loaded for bear.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Linda (LINDAG)
 To:  JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS) 
1771.31 In reply to 1771.28 

Jim,

Sounds like you are all set! Keep us posted on your progress, I'm eager to hear how things work out for you. I feel I am headed in the same direction - still looking for that magic niche!

Linda
 

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 From:  cindy (ROBERTM)
 To:  Linda (LINDAG) 
1771.32 In reply to 1771.31 

I saw a guy one day set up in a local wal-mart. Not sure what type of equipment he had (it was not a laser) but some type of engraver. He was selling and engraving dog tags, car plate frames, and such.

People were lined up and would pick out different things and he would put their name or whatever on it. I talked to him for just a little bit and he was from TX and had a deal worked out with wal-mart and traveled around to the different stores.

 

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 From:  Linda (LINDAG)
 To:  cindy (ROBERTM) 
1771.33 In reply to 1771.32 

Cindy,

I saw a machine like you are describing at the Columbus show as well as in the mall. I don't recall the name (Met or z or something) and cost around $2k. The problem is they are very limited in what they do. Anyway the machine looks pretty easy to use.

I wonder if they can do metals as well...

Linda
 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  Linda (LINDAG) 
1771.34 In reply to 1771.33 

If you mean Metaza, it is a small machine capable of doing small items.

A 1x2 dog tag, using the settings that give the best result takes about 35 minutes. You can halve that but get a much poorer image. Even with the resolution of 203 dots per inch that is over 82,000 impacts. That takes time.

I own and use one. As a special item machine it works in a mall, but has very limited engraving capacity and capability.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  cindy (ROBERTM)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
1771.35 In reply to 1771.34 

I did not take him long at all to engrave anything he had. I watched him. The customer picked out what they wanted told him what they wanted engraved and he put it on the table, put the info into a little (looked like computor screen) and hit go and it engraved in just a very few min.

Anyway this was a couple of years ago, but he had them lined up.

 

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 From:  Linda (LINDAG)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
1771.36 In reply to 1771.34 

Harvey,

That is the machine I was thinking of. Sounds like Cindy might have seen a Wizard -

Cindy, was it able to do photos?

Linda
 

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 From:  cindy (ROBERTM)
 To:  Linda (LINDAG) 
1771.37 In reply to 1771.36 

He was not doing photo's just engraving names and such. You know at the time I got one of his cards I will have to dig around and see if I still have it.
I do remember he said you had to buy a franchise into some company to get the equipment, but I think he was just trying to get rid of me cause I started asking alot of questions.

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  cindy (ROBERTM) 
1771.38 In reply to 1771.37 

If it was a sort of a grey molded box with the monitor built in on the left, it was an original Wizard or a Wizard XL. If it had a flat panel monitor sticking up centered behind the engraving, it was a Wizard PC.

I have both somewhere in storage. Great machines, Used them for over ten years and barely no problems.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
1771.39 In reply to 1771.38 
:-( 


"Genius ain't anything more than elegant common sense." Josh Billings
 

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
1771.40 In reply to 1771.38 
The Wizard 2000 had the LCD display with computer built in. I have had mine for 6 years.. Great for trophy plates. Just import the names from your e-mail and away it goes...

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In the Great Northwest!

 
 
   
 

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