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 From:  jeff (JCHUMBLEY)
 To:  ALL
3005.1 

Can an anodized piece of aluminum be reanodized after being hit with the laser?

 

Jeff

Laser's Edge Engraving
916.813.6461

EDITED: 11 May 2006 by DGL

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  jeff (JCHUMBLEY) 
3005.2 In reply to 3005.1 

Usually you do very little damage to the anodize unless you overpower the cut. It burns out the dye. You can blast out the anodized coating, (aluminum oxide), with too much power.

If you mean to undo the engraving and match the color, that will be a problem. It is dyed in boiling dye and it must be the same dye, same temp and same time. Even then it probably will show a little bit. Then you will have to delve out the dyes and parameters, a very unenvious task.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  jeff (JCHUMBLEY)
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3005.3 

Thanks. Didn't really think there was a chance to save them.


Jeff

Laser's Edge Engraving
916.813.6461

 

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 From:  laserman (MIKEMAC)
 To:  jeff (JCHUMBLEY) 
3005.4 In reply to 3005.3 

Jeff,

We have stripped them and re anodized them with out any problems. Its just about the cost and if it is worth the expense.

Any metal plater can do this.

CEM- Sales and Service of Universal Lasers, Versa Lasers, and Meistergram / H-square engravers.
2800 S. Main St.,Unit C
Santa Ana, Ca 92707
714-444-2385

 

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 From:  RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)
 To:  ALL
3005.5 In reply to 3005.2 

I have talked to an anodizer about this in the past..........

They can strip the anodic layer and dye pretty easily..... It would have to go through that as well as the re-anodising them....Once stripped and re-dyed...I highly doubt you would ever know they had been lasered. I would be able to get clarification from this anodizer if it was necessary.

Best bet would be to talk to an plating house that does anodizing. I'm betting they could be saved.

Brian G.

EDITED: 22 Feb 2006 by RALLYGUY1

 

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 From:  Bill (BILLC)
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3005.6 
If you are going to strip anodizing just be sure that the parts you are stripping do not have any critical or real tight dimensions. The stripping process will remove some of the base metal. If they are precision parts they may be out of tolerance after re-plating.
 

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 From:  Boz (CHEDDARHEAD)
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3005.7 
Unless you are just powering your way through the anodization, you are not removing any material by using a CO2 laser engraver. With less than 50 watts, you are actually bleaching the pigments of the anodized coating. That's why laser engraving on anodized aluminum will pass the 25 year outdoor sign standards. You do not leave any raw aluminum exposed, unless you cut your plates to size after anodizing.

Robert H. Bosworth
ACCESS Business Solutions, Inc.
Hudson, WI. 54016
(715) 386-8021
www.usedlasers.com

EDITED: 23 Feb 2006 by CHEDDARHEAD

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Boz (CHEDDARHEAD) 
3005.8 In reply to 3005.7 
Rob,

The engraving may pass the 25 year outdoor standard, but I've never seen an anodized surface that can pass the same test. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Boz (CHEDDARHEAD)
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3005.9 
That is an interesting point. Since we don't do engraving, just enough to test machines, we have very little practical knowledge of how the products are used. So have you had customers requesting outdoor signage made of anodized aluminum? And from your experience, the anodized coating goes bad after years of being exposed? Or the base metal comes through and corrodes?

Robert H. Bosworth
ACCESS Business Solutions, Inc.
Hudson, WI. 54016
(715) 386-8021
www.usedlasers.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Boz (CHEDDARHEAD) 
3005.10 In reply to 3005.9 
Rob,

I can't say I have "extensive" experience with anodized aluminum, for outdoor applications.

My comment was based on a sign (black anodized alum.) I engraved for a "Memorial Garden." It seems the anodized surface is either wearing away or fading. The engraving itself, since it was lightly routed into the metal, is very legible.

The surface of the metal itself is now a silver/gray. The sign comes around from time to time, for updating.

I can't remember exactly how long the sign was exposed to the elements, before the affects of "Mother Nature" became apparent.

I'd say about 6 months.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
3005.11 In reply to 3005.10 
The material below the anodize will oxidize, (anodize), in outdoor conditions. This causes a graying effect.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
3005.12 In reply to 3005.10 

I have had some experience with black anodized in outdoor use and find it to be quite durable. I've had signs that I know are more than 6 years old and outside year round and still look good.

The Missouri Botanical Garden (one of the country's largest) uses exclusively anodized aluminum and I'm sad to say they bought their own laser engraving machine just about the time I was ready to take over their sign making.

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Mike (MIKEN) 
3005.13 In reply to 3005.12 
Mike,

How dark does the black anodized finish stay, over time?

Maybe all finishes aren't created equal, but the signs I've made and see, as they come back for updating, are gray and eventually a lighter shade of gray.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
3005.14 In reply to 3005.13 
Chewbarka dips the tags after dying them. I would think that would increase their longevity quite a bit. Anything that prevents oxygen from entering, UV resistant or not, would certainly give an edge.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
3005.15 In reply to 3005.13 
Not all anodized aluminum is created equal. There are special dyes used for exterior signs that are fade resistant. Plus the method of sealing and even the alloy of aluminum all are factors for exterior use.
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ) 
3005.16 In reply to 3005.15 
Dave,

I've only had experience with the typical anodized sheet stock, sold through engraving supply houses, i.e. Gravograph.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
3005.17 In reply to 3005.16 
I've been having aluminum custom anodized for about 20 years, for the enclosures on my electronic equipment. The better anodizing companies ask all sorts of questions about what alloy it is, indoor vs outdoor, flat vs glossy, normal or extra hard surface, etc... There are several variations in the process, and a selection of chemicals used for different applications. Only some of the dyes are considered fade resistant in sunlight.
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ) 
3005.18 In reply to 3005.17 
Good info Dave.

Much more to it, than meets the eye.

Thanks,

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  sprinter
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
3005.19 In reply to 3005.18 
I stopped buying standard anodized aluminum sheets several years ago. I now buy 4'x8' sheets of T6 6061 aluminum which the metal supply house cuts to size and then have it anodized with a harder finish and a UV dyes. It works out to be about the same price as standard anodized aluminum sheets.

EDITED: 11 May 2006 by SPRINTER

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  sprinter 
3005.20 In reply to 3005.19 
What are your main uses of the anodized material?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 
 
   
 

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