Hi Tech panels - Engraving Etc. Forum

From:	ABH (BACHI)	25 Apr 2006
To:	ALL	1 of 13

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Some pictures of control panels for a hi tech company and engraved lamicoids i have done. The 96 hole panel is done in Rowmark .125 textured B/W material.

Abdul

EDITED: 25 Apr 2006 by DATAKES

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	25 Apr 2006
To:	ABH (BACHI)	2 of 13

3628.2 In reply to 3628.1
Abdul, Thanks for showing the pictures. That's a good niche area. Not a lot of competiton there; at least, not from the general awards industry. David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	cindy (ROBERTM)	26 Apr 2006
To:	ABH (BACHI)	3 of 13

3628.3 In reply to 3628.1

Great pictures, I also do mostly industrial engraving and would like to ask what is lamicods?

Thanks Cindy

From:	ABH (BACHI)	26 Apr 2006
To:	ALL	4 of 13

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Lamicoids is the same material as the old phenolic sheets. Now, that name is rarely used and as far as i know, rowmark lasemax is the same thing. The tags made with this material are used by electrical contractors to label their artwork. When you use the word *Lamicoid*, it tells them that you know what you are talking about and the material has certain characteristics. The best material for the hi tech panels is rowmark Textured, both .062 and .125, B/W as this is a very hard material and is both UV stable and smudge proof. Abdul

From:	cindy (ROBERTM)	26 Apr 2006
To:	ABH (BACHI)	5 of 13

3628.5 In reply to 3628.4

Thanks for the information. I do some work with the electrical company's and I'm in process of looking for more of this type of business. Any suggestions on how to tap into this market even more would be greatly apprecatied.

Thanks Cindy

From:	ABH (BACHI)	26 Apr 2006
To:	ALL	7 of 13

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I asked this question on this forum a while ago,(I will try to trace it) and got the answer I gave. You may be right. I just want to be absolutely sure and thus want other members to corroborate your answer.
I have been using lasemax for a while with no problems. But if you are right then I have to be careful not to incur any legal liabilities.

abdul

From:	Dave Jones (DAVERJ)	26 Apr 2006
To:	ABH (BACHI)	8 of 13

3628.8 In reply to 3628.7

Lamicoid was the brand name of a multi-layer phenolic sheet that is no longer made, though there are some other companies making engravable phenolic sheets that are similar.

It's made from melamine resin and is very hard. It is heat, abrasion, and chemical resistant. You can touch it with a soldering iron and all that happens is it discolors in that spot without melting.

If you do anything for the military that specifies lamicoid, it must be melamine resin based.

The dust from engraving Lamicoid is considered carcenogenic.

I did read on the web that the name lamicoid has come to represent generic multi-layer engravable plastic in a lot of places, but I would be cautious of any situation where chemical and heat resistance is an issue. Some acrylic based multi-layer plastics are flamable.

From:	Button (LASERCHICK)	16 May 2006
To:	ABH (BACHI)	9 of 13

3628.9 In reply to 3628.1

I am looking through posts, trying to come up with how to figure prices.

Tomorrow I am meeting with an Electrical Contractor about getting their engraving business. I know who is doing their engraving now, but I have no idea what he is charging them. How should I figure my price? I want to be competitive and get their business. Any advice and help that everyone can give will be appreciated!

Tracy Anderson
www.catchthemoment.us
www.ldscharms.com

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	16 May 2006
To:	Button (LASERCHICK)	10 of 13

3628.10 In reply to 3628.9
Tracy, When I find myself in your position, I ask what the customer has been paying in the past; not as a precursor to undercutting the competiton, but as my way of helping the customer get an honest price. If the customer is jumping ship, there has to be a reason and price may have nothing to do with it. If the price they've been paying makes financial sense, I tell the person I'm willing to match that price. If I think the price is too low, I tell them so and explain why my price must be higher. I've found, most of the time a customer is looking for another source, it's usually a quality or production-time issue. David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	Button (LASERCHICK)	16 May 2006
To:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	11 of 13

3628.11 In reply to 3628.10
How do you ask what they have been paying? Tracy Anderson www.catchthemoment.us www.ldscharms.com

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	16 May 2006
To:	Button (LASERCHICK)	12 of 13

3628.12 In reply to 3628.11
Tracy, You're trying to build a relationship with this company. Be honest. You don't want to waste their time, or yours. Ask them why they're not happy with the previous supplier. They'll tell you. David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	ABH (BACHI)	16 May 2006
To:	Button (LASERCHICK)	13 of 13

3628.13 In reply to 3628.9
Button I will give you a rough idea about how I did my pricing. 1/2 inch x 2 inch plate $2.75 1 inch x 2 inch $3.50 Includes engraving 50 cents more for each additional inch of material contractors normally order large volumes so depending on the number, you can reduce the individual prices slightly. As you can see the cost of material is extremely low compared to the price you would be charging. Your first bet should be to get them to tell you what they are paying at present. i hope this helps Regards Bachi