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I'll jog your memory to recall it would have been TDA at member #57! Bob Sherrod is still horsing around on the stage at the 'Vegas (2006) show after all those years! I suspect you know that Tuller won the AZ lottery 10-12 years ago and turned the business over to his son, but still participates in many ARA events.

Engraver? Given the choice between the two, as a biased observer, I'd strongly recommend the Vision Max; they'll be around for a long time to support and update.

If you're willing to spend quite a bit more $, you should consider the Xenetech GE &/or the Hermes IS400 Volume. I don't know how the support for these are in Australia; but since you already own Hermes systems and they are not in your "list," I can make some assumptions.

Roy Brewer
http://www.engravingconcepts.com
Epilog/Xenetech distributor