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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
4161.51 In reply to 4161.50 
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Who would license a process if they knew that the licensor was going to compete with them?


Harvey,

I'm certain you were posing a rhetorical question to all, but just in case, "Not me." :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4161.52 In reply to 4161.51 
Not I said the fly!
Nor me said the flea!

"Genius ain't anything more than elegant common sense." Josh Billings
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  UncleSteve 
4161.53 In reply to 4161.52 

Oops!

I try so hard to be grammatically correct. :-) 

Guess I'm feeling a little "street" today. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 2 Jul 2006 by DGL

 

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 From:  Franklin (FW_HAYNES)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4161.54 In reply to 4161.20 
Two things that I have learned in business is 1. My enemy's enemy is my friend...in business, a competitor of a competitor is my associate. And 2; Without action there is no resolve. The best way to put a chink in the armour of a company like this is to get people to stop using them. Every client they lose to a competitor is a slap in the face to them. They screw over enough little guys to get a bigger piece of the pie and those little guys stop using them, they find out soon enough that they have shot themselves in the foot. This thread, I believe makes everyone in here informed, but who would we use in place of these guys?
The glass is neither half empty or half full; it is, however, ready to accept more.
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Franklin (FW_HAYNES) 
4161.55 In reply to 4161.54 

Franklin,

Because Ballstars is a proprietary process, with proprietary materials, there are no competitors.

Sometimes, in industry, a company with a project they don't want others to know about, will farm out several components to separate factories, so none of the individual factories know what the finished product will be.

Because Ballstar licensees have to buy all materials, (balls) print media etc. from Ballstars, the licensor (Ballstars) knows when there's a big fish on the line.

I imagine some of the big fish approach Ballstars directly, in an effort to cut out the middleman.

At that point, a reputable licensor would direct such business back to the licensees.

It has to be very tempting for Ballstars to jump directly on a large account, but falling to that temptation, with word of that practice hitting the streets, will work strongly against their chances for building a network of licensees.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 3 Jul 2006 by DGL

 

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 From:  bobkat
 To:  Franklin (FW_HAYNES) 
4161.56 In reply to 4161.54 

<but who would we use in place of these guys? >

The answer would be nobody. The world will not stop turning if this product is not in the marketplace. At some point, if they keep screwing over their licensees, either they will have to completely market the product themselves, or it will dry up and disappear for lack of distributors.

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  bobkat 
4161.57 In reply to 4161.56 
Or some greedy, sneaky, advantage takin' lawyer will start a class action suit against the vendor on behalf of ALL of the licensees...

"Genius ain't anything more than elegant common sense." Josh Billings
 

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 From:  bobkat
 To:  UncleSteve 
4161.58 In reply to 4161.57 
Wouldn't surprise me a bit; we all know where most of that money winds up.....
 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  ALL
4161.59 In reply to 4161.21 
For those interested in or wanting to confront Ballstars, they will be on the east coast at:

The Awards & Custom Gift Show Baltimore, MD August 24-26!
The Awards & Custom Gift Show is dedicated to awards and recognition professionals. Join in the excitement of the new show in Baltimore, August 24-26, where you will see the top awards suppliers in the industry displaying their equipment and wares. If you're in the awards business, this is a great opportunity to meet one-on-one with some of the industry's biggest names.

"My Karma ran over your Dogma!"

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  UncleSteve 
4161.60 In reply to 4161.59 
Steve,

Ballstars will also be at the NBM Long Beach, CA show, coming up next week.

I told the owner, I'd drop by and introduce myself. No confrontation. Just a chat.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4161.62 In reply to 4161.55 
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Because Ballstars is a proprietary process, with proprietary materials, there are no competitors.


We don't offer the process here, and have never had a request for it. But I'm guessing that if it ever becomes widely popular, we will see very similar products from our friends offshore in 5...4...3...2...1...

With just a hint of volume, niche manufacturers fall prey to this kind of competition every day. Not too good for early adopters to a "proprietary" system...but not too bad for the rest of us.

Jim


 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
4161.63 In reply to 4161.62 
Jim,

As you say, once a company develops a strong demand for a proprietary process/product, patent infringers are close behind.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  vito (VITOCORLIONI)
 To:  ALL
4161.64 

To all ballstars owners.....

I am currently looking at the ballstar system, and I called directly to andy and asked him if I would be competing with ballstars...his response was "they sell their products to china and i would not be competing with them" after reading your posts I see that this is not entirely true.

thank-you for your posts. I do like the product, I think that even the people that have been wronged, like the product and don't like the company.

If anyone is selling their system, I would be interested in purchasing it.

Thanks
Vitocorlioni@yahoo.com

 

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 From:  Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)
 To:  ALL
4161.65 

Check this out
http://www.ballstars.co.za/

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) 
4161.66 In reply to 4161.65 
Rodney,

Point made and very well!!!!

"Don't believe everything you think!"

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  precisionlaser 
4161.67 In reply to 4161.21 
Mark,

Any update to your story?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  precisionlaser 
4161.68 In reply to 4161.10 

Mark,
I have not read the entire thread, but first let me say THIS SUCKS!!!! Especially to have it happen to you. ( Why do things like this happen to good people) Given the level of service and ethics you adhere too.

Have you gone to the TOPMOST managment level and screamed?

Edit: I have since read the entire thread. Apparently you have.....

Perhaps in my post in "Topic of You Choic" about a revolt, I should have mentioned the decline in ethics in this country as well.

I'm sorry this happened to you Mark.....but hold your head up. YOU take the high road and set an example of ethics and customer service that should be an example for us all.

EDITED: 4 Nov 2006 by C_BURKE

 

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 From:  Dave (MT_DAVE)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
4161.69 In reply to 4161.68 

Chuck,

Don't you mean Ballstars, not Topmost?

Been doing too much Maui wowie?

Wasn't just born at night, sometimes it seems it was last night. Big Sky Awards/a>
 

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 From:  Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)
 To:  Dave (MT_DAVE) 
4161.70 In reply to 4161.69 
He meant the topmost management level. "Topmost" equaling "highest". I was thinking the same thing until I re-read the sentence.
 
   
 

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