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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
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4984.1 
That was the opinion of an attendee to my wife's solo photography exhibit yesterday.

I found that an interesting observation.

What she was referring to was the pricing of a framed tile mural.

The lady said she could justify paying hundreds of dollars for a framed photograph, but the tile murals, even if they consisted of the same image, were more of a home decor item and in her opinion, probably not worth more than $90.

That could explain why, in my experience, although framed murals are unusual and fun to make, and they've inspired some people to ask about architectural applications, big sellers, they're not. :S 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4984.2 In reply to 4984.1 
They must last too long to be valued as much as mass printed paper. >.< 

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

EDITED: 1 Oct 2006 by HARVEY-ONLY

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
4984.3 In reply to 4984.2 
Harvey,

The fact that there is more expense and time involved, in creating a ceramic mural, didn't seem to phase this person.

I said, "At $90, I wouldn't bother making them."

She said, "Something is better than nothing."

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4984.4 In reply to 4984.3 
quote:
She said, "Something is better than nothing."


Sure! And customers are better than critics!

"Don't believe everything you think!"

 

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 From:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4984.5 In reply to 4984.3 

Art collectors, dealers and curators are all fairly snobbish when it comes to drawing a line between what is "art" and what is "craft".

Remember that it's only been a few decades that photography has even been considered potentialy fine art. And much of it is still considered a collectable rather than as fine art.

Once you put a photo on something other than photographic paper, the art collectors categorize it based on that material rather than as a photograph. If it's something you might buy as a commercial product, it's judged as commercial design rather than fine art. Print a fine art photo on a t-shirt, and it's just considered a t-shirt. (unless you are already a famous artist, in which case anything you touch turns to gold).

 

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 From:  Doug (JDOUG5170)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4984.6 In reply to 4984.1 

I'm sure glad that the people that have purchased my multi tile frames have not heard such a thing. I've made and sold 1000's of these frames over the last 4 years.

Doug

Lavivrus Woodworking
www.tileframe.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doug (JDOUG5170) 
4984.7 In reply to 4984.6 
Doug,

Do you know what the murals sold for?

Of course, prices would vary, based on the size of the tiles and how many are used in the piece.

Just wondering what the average might be.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ) 
4984.8 In reply to 4984.5 
Dave,

It's still a bit of a struggle to have photography recognized as art by many galleries.

My wife has entered art shows, which featured predominantly paintings and sculpture. In the instances, she had pieces accepted for the show, it felt like a major accomplishment.

We have two framed tile murals that hang in our house. They occasionally end up in art shows and make quite a conversation piece..

Looks like we'll be enjoying them for some time to come, which is fine. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Doug (JDOUG5170)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4984.9 In reply to 4984.7 

David, I have asked over the years, and it seems that about $80 per sq. ft. is the norm, plus the frame with markup.

When I was pressing tile 5-6 years ago, this is pretty much what I was able to ask also. I did sell many "multi-tile picture's" (happy Hula!) which is what drove me to the business of making the frames originaly. The one advantage I had was the frames had more variety than I was able to bring to market due to constraints in manufacturing mode and distribution. Had to have continuity in types of wood used and profiles.

Doug

Lavivrus Woodworking
www.tileframe.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doug (JDOUG5170) 
4984.10 In reply to 4984.9 
Doug,

Going by that, the lady is an astute shopper. :-) 

The piece she was referring to, was a 9-piece 4.25" tile mural; roughly over a square foot.

It has a nice frame and with the unique image, we had it priced at $250, which the gallery would have gotten a percentage of, if it sold.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  BobT
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4984.11 

Some of those artists are looney. I am a woodcarver. Wonderful hobby to get rid of stress. A couple of years ago we tried to display our work in an Art Show. They denied us display space, saying it is NOT ART!
Go figure.

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  BobT 
4984.12 In reply to 4984.11 
Simple! The wood didn't come with those light blue lines on it showing you where to carve and the letters telling you what color to paint it when you were done.... (devil) 

"Don't believe everything you think!"

 

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 From:  BobT
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4984.13 
That is a chuckle, I wish I had thought of that when they ask us to leave. Thanks,
 

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 From:  Doug (JDOUG5170)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
4984.14 In reply to 4984.10 

David...thinking about the diffs....I'm not an "artist". I use images provided by customers, free art, or something that I accidently took a half decent picture of...therefore, I was not having to charge a great deal for the image itself...could well be why your price is higher...Robin is an accomplished photographer :-)  Also, I was not working with a gallery so I did not have to cough up 30,40,50% to the owner.

Doug

Lavivrus Woodworking
www.tileframe.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doug (JDOUG5170) 
4984.15 In reply to 4984.14 

Excellent points Doug.

A contractor friend of mine attended the opening. Up to that point, he'd only heard of the tile murals. He was impressed!

He requested pictures of the murals, so he could show them to some of his clients, who consist of many on the "best side" of the tracks. :-) 

I did caution him that the murals would be strictly for indoor use.

We'll see.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 3 Oct 2006 by DGL

 
 
     
 

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