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 From:  LARRY (CENTURYBADGE)
 To:  ALL
5052.1 

We recently purchased Rowmarks new Metalgraph Plus in gold/black. When we laser the engraving comes out with a gray finish with light gray stripes showing. Engraving not acceptable to sell. I shipped my results to Rowmark after talking to them. Awaiting their call.
Has anyone else attempted to engrave this material? If so, how did it come out.
Larry

LBH

EDITED: 10 Oct 2006 by DGL

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) 
5052.2 In reply to 5052.1 
Larry,

Is the material marketed as being laserable?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5052.3 In reply to 5052.2 
The specs from the Romark site:

Specifications
Material: Modified Impact Acrylic
Finish: Brushed
Sheet Size: 24" x 48" (610 x 1219mm)
Thickness 1-Ply: NONE
Thickness 2-Ply: 1/16" (1.6mm)
Use MP22 as first digits of the item code.
1/8" (3.2mm)
Use MP942 as first digits of the item code.
Thickness 3-Ply: NONE
Usage: Interior signage
Exterior signage
Personal identification
Industrial tags
Trophies and Awards
Photo Laser Engraving
Engraving Method: Laser
Rotating carbide
Router
Cutting Depth: .003" (.08mm)

"Don't believe everything you think!"

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  UncleSteve 
5052.4 In reply to 5052.3 
Thank you Steve.

Sometimes, even though a core color can be listed as black, a dark gray is the reality.

Also, a laser may produce a different color than rotary engraving.

I haven't seen the material in-person yet.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  oneputt (NOUNOES) 
5052.5 
Phil,

From the specs, Metalgraph sounds like an exciting new product.

Any encouraging words of advice for Larry?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  LARRY (CENTURYBADGE)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5052.6 In reply to 5052.2 

yes, it is supposeably both laser and rotary material. I spoke with Rowmark today after they received my sample and they agreed with me. They suggested I laser a second time out of focus which we did and still the same results. They were going to send it to their quality control people as they could not get good results either. I purchased 15 half sheets to start but am going to have to return. Its a great idea but does not work as stated.
We are still looking for an exterior material in gold with black core.Any suggestions??
Larry

LBH
 

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 From:  oneputt (NOUNOES)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5052.7 In reply to 5052.5 

I am sorry but I am out of the loop on this one. I am working for the custom division of Rowmark and this is a new product that I am not up to speed on. I have to defer to my associates. My suggestion is you speak to our Customer Service Department, they will follow through and work to resolve any concerns.

Phil

 

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 From:  ABH (BACHI)
 To:  oneputt (NOUNOES) 
5052.8 In reply to 5052.7 

I ordered samples of the multigraph and metalgraph material and received them a few days ago.
I was trying to engrave all the colors and realized that when i removed the protective covering from the multigraph yellow/black, the yellow color came off with the protective plastic. I would say that 75% of the yellow came off.
I called Rowmark to inform them about this problem.
I was told that probably the sample I got was sealed with the protective plastic before the yellow die had a chance to cure.

draw your conclusions.
Abdul

 

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 From:  logojohn
 To:  LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) 
5052.9 In reply to 5052.6 
quote:
We are still looking for an exterior material in gold with black core.Any suggestions??


The outdoor vintage gold is not a laserable material but it can be lasered.
It may require more than one pass to get through the thick cap but that is a good thing if you want to use it outside. We sell a lot for outdoor to people who don't want to pay metal cast bronze prices.

For larger signs the 1/8 thick is better if you are using screws or lawn stakes for mounting since it is more rigid. Also the thicker can be lasered at higher power without warping due to the heat. Most places don't stock it but can special order it in 1/8

completed sample

rowmark page

trophiesinc.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  LARRY (CENTURYBADGE) 
5052.10 In reply to 5052.6 

Larry,

My suggestion would be to route (rotary engrave) and color-fill the material.

Durability of the outdoor gold, with a jet black image.

I've seen traditional Metallex, Metalply etc. (indoor) material, routed and color-filled.

My well-trained eye was fooled into thinking the material was actual brass. The sign was in the Gene Autry museum in L.A.

Of course, being an engraver, I was probably paying more attention to the signage, than the exhibits. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 10 Oct 2006 by DGL

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  oneputt (NOUNOES) 
5052.11 In reply to 5052.7 
Thank you Phil.

Looks like Larry has been in touch with Rowmark.

Any custom materials coming down the pike, that you can talk about, without divulging company secrets. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5052.12 In reply to 5052.11 
We'll be receiving a qtr sheet of "Copper Penny/Black" Metalgraph tomorrow (Wednesday). We'll report back as to how it lasers. Based on comments so far, I too may return it or get a credit.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  Peter
 To:  ALL
5052.13 
We got the flyers......The website spiel was amazing.....

the colour packs are sensational, the marketing is full on......

But in reality the product is shizenhausen...is this correct ?

Peter
Peter Vasic
Engraving Services Co.
Adelaide, Australia.
http://www.engravingservices.com.au
 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Peter 
5052.14 In reply to 5052.13 
Seems like a product that rotary engraves well and "somebody" managed to laser..... They were HYPEnotized!!!! :O 

"Don't believe everything you think!"

 

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 From:  Peter
 To:  UncleSteve 
5052.15 In reply to 5052.14 

:D 

:P 

Peter Vasic
Engraving Services Co.
Adelaide, Australia.
http://www.engravingservices.com.au
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  gt350ed 
5052.16 In reply to 5052.12 
Ed,

Looking forward to your observations.

Maybe even run some through your rotary machine. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5052.17 In reply to 5052.16 
Hey! As a result of my thread, I've had a visit from my Vision rep, Joel Brill. I'm a new man...until next month.

By the way, he's turned me on to Panterials. I'll be in touch with them soon. I'm aware that you do business with them.

Thanks.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  gt350ed 
5052.18 In reply to 5052.17 
Ed,

I'm glad to hear you're getting some help with your rotary/drag machine.

Opens up a whole new world of possibilities.

Yeah, I'm a Panterials customer. Mark Berlant and his sister Karen, are the owners.

Their (dearly departed) father was involved with New Hermes, as was Mark, until Mark founded Panterials.

Very nice folks. They'll treat you right. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5052.19 In reply to 5052.18 
This is NOT a replacement for your generous offer. I plan to take you up on it with a twist. I'll fill you in later. You might like it.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  gt350ed 
5052.20 In reply to 5052.19 
Ed,

My offer has no expiration date. Any chance to visit with you and Sharon is a treat. :-) 

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 
 
   
 

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