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 From:  basehorawards
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5987.7 In reply to 5987.6 
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Particularly when our country wrongly draws a hemp = heroin connotation.


Worse than that my boys were talking about how if you smoke even one marijuana cigarette your skin will turn colors and you will go mad. When I asked where they heard that both answered "at school in the D.A.R.E. presentation." They also learned how to freebase coke in the same presentation. I'm sure that will come in handy for some of the kids at our schools.

But to get back on topic: When the top executives of the oil companies sit on the boards of the car mfrs and the top executives of the car companies sit on the boards of the oil companies there is not much incentive to change is there? If the government did end up mandating a change there would be so many loopholes that it would look like swiss cheese and stink like swiss cheese left on the dashboard of a car on a hot summer day.

James

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  basehorawards 
5987.8 In reply to 5987.7 
James,

Using L.A. as an example, before I was born, there was a wonderful rail transit system that got everyone where they were going, very affordably and efficiently.

That was until General Motors came along with buses.

The buses marked the end of the rail lines. Most of the tracks were pulled up and paved over.

But guess what? Some forward-thinking people had a great idea:

"How about rail lines, that connect the main cities of Southern California?"

We now have the red line; the green line; the blue line and others.

What's old is new. :/

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 8 Feb 2007 by DGL

 

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 From:  basehorawards
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5987.9 In reply to 5987.8 

We have had a guy here in the Kansas City Metro area pushing to reinstall light rail here for several years. The powers that were fighting a battle against him centered around his personality not the merits of the plan. In the last go round I guess they figured they had everyone convinced he was a kook so they just did not talk about the issue. Well, guess what, it passed. Now those same people are running around saying that it will never work and it will cost too much and and and ...
I don't suppose the fact that we have a Ford plant and a Chevy plant in the area has anything to do with it do you?

James

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  basehorawards 
5987.10 In reply to 5987.9 
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I don't suppose the fact that we have a Ford plant and a Chevy plant in the area has anything to do with it do you?


James,

Please! You're beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist. :-)

Here's the question:

At which point, does enough evidence of a conspiracy, take it from a theory to an actual conspiracy?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5987.11 In reply to 5987.10 
The flip side of your "question" is that some people see everything as evidence of a conspiracy theory.


:)

Thanks,

Brian Genrich


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EDITED: 8 Feb 2007 by RALLYGUY1

 

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
5987.12 In reply to 5987.1 
Then what is your position about Bio-Diesel. ?

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) 
5987.13 In reply to 5987.12 
I have not seen any reports on that. But it is an internal combustion engine with few differences. I would assume that the results would be just as bad or worse.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) 
5987.14 In reply to 5987.11 

Brian,

There's good news for true conspiracists.

Even with irrefutable evidence before their eyes, people have become so complacent that as long as the beer's cold, there's gas in the car and Wheel of Fortune comes on at 7:30 pm, all is well with the world. :-)

Sad, but true. :S

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 8 Feb 2007 by DGL

 

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
5987.15 In reply to 5987.13 
peanut oil or corn oil they both smell great running in a truck/tractoror generator....

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In the Great Northwest!

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) 
5987.16 In reply to 5987.15 
Mark,

I believe the original diesel engines were designed to run on peanut oil.

Read it somewhere.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) 
5987.17 In reply to 5987.15 
You might be surprised at what industrial waste is sometimes used in diesel train locomotives. A lot that the train companies do not even know about a gets added to it to stop having to pay for hazardous waste disposal. [Don't ask, it was a long time ago and not by me.]

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5987.18 In reply to 5987.16 

You are a real history nut , I mean buff..

"Mr. Diesel demonstrated his engine at the Exhibition Fair in Paris, France in 1898. This engine stood as an example of Diesel's vision because it was fueled by peanut oil - the "original" biodiesel. He thought that the utilization of a biomass fuel was the real future of his engine."


My 25w laser runs on Diet Coke and 120v current.!

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EDITED: 8 Feb 2007 by PENINSULATROPHY

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) 
5987.19 In reply to 5987.18 
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He thought that the utilization of a biomass fuel was the real future of his engine.


Mark,

It probably is. His vision's been sidetracked by almost a couple hundred years. :/

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
5987.20 In reply to 5987.19 

You have to remember that the VW Rabbit running around town powered by BurgerKing and MickeyD's cooking oil only became pressworthy around 30 years ago. and now with diesel fuel priced higher than gasoline...... well ,

" I'll take a Big Mac and top'er off......."

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 From:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
5987.21 In reply to 5987.17 

A friend of mine from England told me a story from his town a couple of years ago. A large market had cases of vegetable oil on sale at a low price. But they were amazed at the demand for it. They were selling hundreds of cases per day.

Turns out that a 50/50 mix of regular diesel fuel and vegetable oil works quite well in the diesel cars over there. And without the road tax and various other taxes the vegetable oil was far cheaper than diesel fuel. One byproduct was that the cars smelled like french fries.

Diesel cars are far more popular in Europe, and the diesel engines of the past couple of years and fuel seem to be more advanced than what is sold over here. Much cleaner and more efficient.

 

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 From:  basehorawards
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5987.22 

For about $10,000 you can buy a kit from a company in Missouri that will convert your deisel to run on vegetable oil. All you have to do, they say, is line up a couple of restaurants to give you their used frier oil. Then you have to process it. It works pretty well I hear but most people will not do it. (Can't find the time what with Wheel of Fortune on with current episodes plus in syndication too.)

It would really be great if someone could get a low level nuclear reactor small enough to run a car or truck. Even France understands the value and benefits of nuclear power. Why don't we?

James

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 From:  RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)
 To:  basehorawards 
5987.23 In reply to 5987.22 
Best not to get caught using "alternative" fuels in your vehicle...The government frowns on losing good tax dollars...........They tint Bio Diesel with a color for this purpose.......(supposedly).

If you see a cop behind you in your diesel....it may not be just because you have been using oil waste from a doughnut shop. :)

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Brian Genrich


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 From:  basehorawards
 To:  RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) 
5987.24 In reply to 5987.23 
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Best not to get caught using "alternative" fuels in your vehicle...The government frowns on losing good tax dollars

Boy that is an accurate statement. Basic diesel comes in three colors. On road, off road and farm use. Different uses, different colors, different taxes but the same fuel. I have wondered what would happen when someone with vegetable oil got stopped for a spot check. The color has to be dead on no hint of the wrong color - even a shade - or your vehicle is impounded and you get a huge fine. I will have to ask one of law enforcement friends.

I had never heard of bio-diesel being tinted. The vegetable oils conversions use diesel to start and warm up the engine and the vegetable oil. Then you switch over to straight oil. Shortly before you stop you are supposed to switch back to diesel so that the oil does not set up in your injection system. But if you get the oil for free it seems like it might be worth it. After a while I would think there would be so many people wanting the oil the restaurants would start selling it.

James

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 From:  Dee (DEENA-ONLY)
 To:  basehorawards 
5987.25 In reply to 5987.24 

So what you are saying is that our local KFC could make more money selling fuel than selling chicken. Could they then be know as the Kentucky Fuel Corp?(devil)

Dee

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)
 

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 From:  basehorawards
 To:  Dee (DEENA-ONLY) 
5987.26 In reply to 5987.25 
They would stand a better chance of getting my money that way. The only one around here is staffed with people (including management) that seemed to be bothered when customers come in and ask questions rather than just ordering a combo.

James

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